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Rollback[edit]

Latest comment: 10 days ago1 comment1 person in discussion

For Infomation: I have proposed a change to the summary of rollbacks to avoid automatic distribution of harassment etc. in the future. Comments are welcome. phabricator:T368876 𝐖𝐢𝐤𝐢𝐁𝐚𝐲𝐞𝐫 👤💬 12:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Proposal to split Steward requests/Global[edit]

Latest comment: 8 hours ago5 comments4 people in discussion

Previously discussed here: Talk:Steward_requests/Global/Archives/2024#The_state_of_SRG and Talk:Steward_requests/Global/Archives/2023#Template_bug?. After deployments of global account blocks, I propose to split this page as following (names are provisional):

Uncontroversial requests:

Steward requests/Global locks: cases that global locks are still required, including: (1) WMF or community global banned users and their socks; (2) compromised users; (3) deceased users; (4) users with improper name that global hiding is required.
Steward requests/Open proxy: requests to globally block open proxies.
Steward requests/Vandalism report: requests to globally block vandalism-only or spam-only users (including accounts and IPs), ongoing cross-wiki disruptive users (including accounts and IPs), and sock puppets with cross-wiki activities. Users should provide diffs or links that justifies blocking.

Potentially controversial requests:

Steward requests/User problems: Any user problems that does not fit the three above cases, or is otherwise controversial. A bot may automatically move any requests on the first three pages to this page after one week, to reduce the backlog of above pages.

GZWDer (talk) 11:36, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

What do you expect this will improve? The SRG backlog has significantly decreased and this looks like it is going to be complicating things (e.g. someone report a vandalism IP range, but then find that it is a proxy so lets move the discussion to the other page). — xaosflux ^Talk 12:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I have to agree with Xaos here. I'm fine with potentially creating a page for potentially controversial requests (since we currently have no real dedicated page for such reports, meaning they are currently going to SRG instead, where they don't really belong either), but I am not of the opinion that we need four separate pages for global block/lock reports - it's really too confusing and I don't find it necessary in the current state. Like mentioned the SR backlogs are no longer as large as they were at the time of the linked discussions and I also find that they have significantly decreased to the point where they are now within control of the steward team; I and other stewards have monitored steward requests pages daily, most requests are relatively quickly handled and I wouldn't say the backlogs are so large to the point where stewards can't handle them in the current state.

I would also consider splitting SRG in the future if the backlogs get completely out of control, but given that since the end of SE2024 they have been mostly low I don't find that SRG is insufficient at the moment. EPIC (talk) 12:32, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

A potential new workflow and page could be for "global account unblock appeals", but I think this is premature right now. The stewards team is currently reviewing workflows for global account blocks, some of which could result in more on-wiki requests that could benefit from a dedicated forum. The day-1 launch of that capability is not expected to cause any immediate change. — xaosflux ^Talk 12:46, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Not a stew here, but I can't see how this will improve things. xaoflux's suggestion for unblock appeals seems reasonable, but splitting a page that doesn't get very long anymore doesn't sound intuitive at all – it'll only cause more confusion, particularly for non-regular Meta users. --SHB2000 (t • c) 13:37, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

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-== Introducing Edit Patrol: Assisting Rollbackers on the Wikipedia Android App ==
+== Rollback  ==
-The Mobile Apps team has recently released a new feature in the Android app to assist rollbackers in patrolling from their mobile device without leaving the Android app. Edit Patrol is a suggested edit that allows users with rollback rights to view the recent changes feed, with access to undo, rollback, thank, and post talk page messages.
+For Infomation: I have proposed a change to the summary of rollbacks to avoid automatic distribution of harassment etc. in the future. Comments are welcome. [[:phabricator:T368876]] '''[[User:WikiBayer|𝐖𝐢𝐤𝐢𝐁𝐚𝐲𝐞𝐫]]''' [[User talk:WikiBayer|👤💬]] 12:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
-The feature is currently available on Indonesian, French, and Spanish Wikipedia. We hope to make it available to English Wikipedia rollbackers in the coming month.
+== Proposal to split [[Steward requests/Global]] ==
-You can learn more about the feature and its development on our [[mw:Wikimedia_Apps/Team/Android/Anti_Vandalism#|project page]]. Edit Patrol does not intend to replace existing patrolling tools, rather fill some gaps that have been highlighted in the mobile space. Prior to writing a single line of code, the team conducted interviews with patrollers and conducted a comparative review of existing patrolling tools. Throughout development, we have continued to incorporate feedback from members of the community. We prioritized collaboration with communities that have traditionally had difficulty utilizing existing tools, specifically folks using mobile devices.
+Previously discussed here: [[Talk:Steward_requests/Global/Archives/2024#The_state_of_SRG]] and [[Talk:Steward_requests/Global/Archives/2023#Template_bug?]]. After deployments of [[phab:T17294|global account blocks]], I propose to split this page as following (names are provisional):
-After initial release, we heard requests to add access to user talk warning templates in the talk page message flow. Users are now able to search and use user talk warning templates as part of the tool. For languages that do not have user warning templates, the team reviewed messages across languages & created 10 example messages that will be preloaded into the app: you can learn more about those messages and leave feedback [[mw:Wikimedia_Apps/Team/Android/Anti_Vandalism/Saved_Messages|here]].
+Uncontroversial requests:
-The feature currently allows users to view the feed of recent edits for only one language wiki at a time (the primary language set in their app), but we are interested to hear if there is a preference from multi-wiki rollbackers to have the ability of patrolling multiple languages in a single feed.
+* [[Steward requests/Global locks]]: cases that global locks are still ''required'', including: (1) WMF or community global banned users and their socks; (2) compromised users; (3) deceased users; (4) users with improper name that global hiding is required.
+* [[Steward requests/Open proxy]]: requests to globally block open proxies.
+* [[Steward requests/Vandalism report]]: requests to globally block vandalism-only or spam-only users (including accounts and IPs), ongoing cross-wiki disruptive users (including accounts and IPs), and sock puppets with cross-wiki activities. Users should provide diffs or links that justifies blocking.
+Potentially controversial requests:
-Please check out [[c:File:Edit_Patrol_Presentation_&_Demo.pdf|this presentation]] with more information, and a [[c:File:Edit_Patrol_V2_Demo.webm|demonstration]] of the feature to learn more. If you have any questions or feedback, we welcome it on the project’s [https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wikimedia_Apps/Team/Android/Anti_Vandalism/Saved_Messages&action=edit&redlink=1 discussion page], or please attend our open '''demonstration hours for this feature on [https://meet.google.com/ctv-ifkc-btn?authuser=0 Google Meet] on the 26th of April 2024 at 18 UTC (You can determine the right time in your time zone [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1714154400 using a time zone converter tool]).'''
+* [[Steward requests/User problems]]: Any user problems that does not fit the three above cases, or is otherwise controversial. A bot may automatically move any requests on the first three pages to this page after one week, to reduce the backlog of above pages.
+[[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|talk]]) 11:36, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
+:What do you expect this will improve? The SRG backlog has significantly decreased and this looks like it is going to be complicating things (e.g. someone report a vandalism IP range, but then find that it is a proxy so lets move the discussion to the other page). — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 12:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
-Looking forward to see you all.
+::I have to agree with Xaos here. I'm fine with potentially creating a page for potentially controversial requests (since we currently have no real dedicated page for such reports, meaning they are currently going to SRG instead, where they don't really belong either), but I am not of the opinion that we need four separate pages for global block/lock reports - it's really too confusing and I don't find it necessary in the current state. Like mentioned the SR backlogs are no longer as large as they were at the time of the linked discussions and I also find that they have significantly decreased to the point where they are now within control of the steward team; I and other stewards have monitored steward requests pages daily, most requests are relatively quickly handled and I wouldn't say the backlogs are so large to the point where stewards can't handle them in the current state.
+::I would also consider splitting SRG in the future if the backlogs get completely out of control, but given that since the end of SE2024 they have been mostly low I don't find that SRG is insufficient at the moment. <b>[[User:EPIC|<span style="color:blue">EPIC</span>]] ([[User talk:EPIC|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]])</b> 12:32, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
---[[User:ARamadan-WMF|ARamadan-WMF]] ([[User talk:ARamadan-WMF|talk]]) 12:47, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
+:::A '''potential''' new workflow and page could be for "global account unblock appeals", but I think this is premature right now. The stewards team is currently reviewing workflows for global account blocks, some of which could result in more on-wiki requests that could benefit from a dedicated forum. The day-1 launch of that capability is not expected to cause any immediate change. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 12:46, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
+::Not a stew here, but I can't see how this will improve things. xaoflux's suggestion for unblock appeals seems reasonable, but splitting a page that doesn't get very long anymore doesn't sound intuitive at all – it'll only cause more confusion, particularly for non-regular Meta users. --[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] <small>([[User talk:SHB2000#top|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|c]])</small> 13:37, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
-:Happening in 10 minutes, join us :)
-:--[[User:ARamadan-WMF|ARamadan-WMF]] ([[User talk:ARamadan-WMF|talk]]) 17:51, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
-::'''Edit Patrol is now available on English Wikipedia and all wikis!'''
-::We invite you to check out a [[c:File:Edit_Patrol_Demo_-_Updated_April_29_2024.webm|demonstration]] of the feature and explore more on our [[mw:Wikimedia_Apps/Team/Android/Anti_Vandalism|project page]]. If you have tried the feature, we would appreciate any feedback on our [[mw:Talk:Wikimedia_Apps/Team/Android/Anti_Vandalism|discussion page]], or your thoughts in response any of the following questions:
-::* What changes or additions would make this feature more useful to you?
-::* Would you be interested in using this feature to patrol multiple language wikis at once?
-::* The feature is currently available to users with rollback rights: would you like to see this feature evolve into something that is available to a broader user group?
-::--[[User:ARamadan-WMF|ARamadan-WMF]] ([[User talk:ARamadan-WMF|talk]]) 10:27, 23 May 2024 (UTC)