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Help VisualEditor users find the wikitext "Save" button
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I observed two users: one who started editing with VisualEditor and had the edit commuted to wikitext; another who had edited the wikitext and then tried VisualEditor.

Both had issues finding the "save" button because it was on top instead of bottom, or vice versa. Can some hint be added?

See also: Newly-found T60588: WikiEditor: Extra buttons are confusing: "Publish" and "Save changes" shows that WikiEditor actually has an option to add publish/cancel buttons on top.

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 OpenNoneT90864 Help VisualEditor users find the wikitext "Save" button
 OpenNoneT104479 Provide a modern wikitext editor
OpenNoneT114402 Implement something similar to the RESTBase 'section' API to provide wikitext structure information
 ResolvedJdforrester-WMFT141149 Provide a Beta Feature of a modern wikitext editor integrated into the visual editor
 ResolveddchenT141068 Editing Design evaluates the new wikitext editor
 Resolved• Capt_SwingT141069 Develop usability testing template for DR testing of Wikitext editor
 ResolvedJdforrester-WMFT142854 Explain VE needs for UX testing of NWE
 Resolved• Capt_SwingT143709 sample of active new editors who use VE primarily
 ResolvedEsandersT142138 "Alpha" feature (flagged) for NWE work done to date
 ResolvedEsandersT142642 In the new wikitext editor, provide a preview function
 ResolvedEsandersT142643 In the new wikitext editor, be able to smoothly toggle between editors
 Resolved• AlexMonk-WMFT143578 Make NWE work with single edit tab
 ResolvedEsandersT143577 Fix tab behaviour when using two edit tabs with NWE
 ResolvedEsandersT143582 Improve progress bar when switching between NWE & VE
 ResolvedEsandersT143917 Modifications are lost when switching from NWE to VE
 Resolved• AlexMonk-WMFT143920 After switching from NWE to VE, switching back triggers errors
 ResolvedEsandersT144651 Using veaction=editsource should do nothing if NWE is not enabled
 ResolvedEsandersT144654 Support section editing in NWE
 Resolved• AlexMonk-WMFT146323 With two edit tabs, 'edit source' link in NWE has an href than loads old wikitext editor (e.g. with middle click/ctrl+click)
 ResolvedJdforrester-WMFT142644 Provide the Beta Feature plumbing for the new wikitext editor
 ResolvedPginer-WMFT142646 Provide the Beta Feature screenshot/logo for the new wikitext editor
 Resolved• Whatamidoing-WMFT142645 Announce the new 2017 wikitext editor
 ResolvedEsandersT145417 CREDIT showcase for the 2017 wikitext editor
 InvalidNoneT142861 Wikitext surface needs an etag to use RESTBase
 ResolvedEsandersT143954 Pasting into VE with new Wikitext surface enabled causes error
 ResolvedEsandersT144323 Tools can get marked as enabled/disabled incorrectly in NWE
 ResolvedEsandersT147218 Format tool in NWE should tell you if you are currently in a heading/paragraph etc.
 ResolvedJdforrester-WMFT144621 In the new wikitext editor, don't strip leading whitespace on save
 ResolvedEsandersT144653 Enabling NWE breaks wikitext pasting in VE
 Resolved• AlexMonk-WMFT146182 NWE should let you edit talk pages, templates, and JSON blobs, (but not let you switch)
 ResolvedEsandersT147227 Selecting bullet list then numbered list in NWE shouldn't double wrap the list
 ResolvedEsandersT147585 Format menu doesn't detect headings without spaces in NWE
 ResolvedEsandersT147810 Help dialog in NWE suggests you can use command sequences
 ResolvedEsandersT147584 The wikitext mode gives a blank page in Firefox 31.2 ESR
 Resolved• AlexMonk-WMFT147587 NWE edits should leave a change tag
 ResolvedEsandersT147232 Pressing cancel on language inspector in NWE throws an exception
 ResolvedEsandersT147231 Inspectors flicker into position in NWE
 ResolvedEsandersT148099 Don't show "Switch to source editing?" dialog for VE->NWE, just switch with changes
 ResolvedJdforrester-WMFT53613 VisualEditor: Tool to set/unset text as big/small
 DuplicateNoneT53614 Tool to set/unset text as small
 OpenNoneT142523 Provide a second version of a beta modern wikitext editor integrated into the visual editor
 OpenNoneT142641 In the new wikitext editor, provide in-editor help akin to WikiEditor's
 ResolvedEsandersT145016 In NWE, respect users' "editfont" preference for monospace/serif/sans-serif if explicitly set
 ResolvedEsandersT145015 ResourceLoaderUserCSSPrefsModule: Use a CSS class, not a global rule, to enforce editfont
 Resolved• Whatamidoing-WMFT145529 Support the VisualEditor team with the "Iterate on the New Wikitext Editor Beta Feature" goal
 OpenNoneT147863 Converting multiple lines to a list in NWE should probably remove linebreaks, and vice-versa
 ResolvedppelbergT147230 Generate links locally in NWE (new wikitext editor) in trivial cases
 OpenNoneT148001 Consider enabling sequences (in some form) in NWE
 ResolvedEsandersT147767 Round-trip transformations applied in NWE end up adding <nowiki>
 OpenNoneT147858 Indent/outdent tools don't work in NWE (and are disabled); enable them and make them do what users expect
 ResolvedEsandersT154598 NWE should implement a replacement for "Templates used on this page" feature
 ResolvedEsandersT149009 VE should implement a replacement for "Templates used on this page" feature
 OpenNoneT154843 New Wikitext Editor: Major improvement to load time and preview time
 StalledNoneT184857 Problems with editing huge pages
 ResolvedDLynchT151021 Section(?) edit links aren't re-set-up on save, so clicking on section link opens OWE and then switches to NWE on second edit without a refresh
 ResolvedDLynchT153346 The onBeforeUnloadHandler isn't getting set(?) when switching from VE to NWE
 ResolvedEsandersT153509 Adding citation from "Basic Form" is not working with NWE, nothing gets added to the page after clicking on "Insert"
 ResolvedSchnarkT150081 Update documentation for VE gadgets to include information about NWE
 OpenNoneT153298 Use NWE to resolve edit conflicts
 ResolvedJdforrester-WMFT157953 When in source mode, point the feedback form to a page about that rather than the VE feedback page
 ResolvedEsandersT185992 NWE: Provide API supporting majority of calls and integrations Gadgets make with wikitext editor
 ResolvedmatmarexT185917 Implement $.textSelection's replaceSelection and encapsulateSelection in NWE
 StalledNoneT139852 Expose `modules` and `jsconfigvars` from Parsoid's parse API when converting wikitext
 ResolvedssastryT162399 Parsoid doesn't add JS modules to <head> in its output
 ResolvedJdforrester-WMFT116417 Come up with a better re-usable UI concept for a button to switch editor-mode; the current one is confusing, and hard to discover
 ResolvedNoneT134477 Pencil icon missing in Flow comment textarea
 ResolvedEsandersT91467 Use consistent icons for same/similar functions between editors
 ResolvedEsandersT191031 Use OOUI icons in WikiEditor
 ResolvedEsandersT143508 WikiEditor's Search and Replace icon is very similar to VisualEditor's "Switch to visual editing button", which is right next to it
 Resolved• AlexMonk-WMFT148077 If you have NWE enabled, on a non-JS machine (or disabled) you can't edit
 ResolvedEsandersT149007 Disable NWE on pages with a different content type (e.g. common.js/css)
 ResolvedppelbergT154844 New Wikitext Editor: Previews should use the article-view rendering engine
 DuplicateNoneT160957 Duplicate name Cite error is not displayed in Parsoid-based preview
 ResolvedJdforrester-WMFT153535 NWE: Links to missing pages should be red in preview (and self-links should be bold)
 OpenNoneT153306 Have Show preview and Review your changes more directly accessible in the New Wikitext Editor
 ResolvedDLynchT160791 Allow people to put a MenuToolGroup in a ButtonGroupWidget
 ResolvedDLynchT160794 Make having a ButtonGroupWidget in the actionsToolbar not look terrible
 ResolvedEsandersT189338 ButtonGroupWidget in the actionsToolbar has regressed in appearance

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Nemo_bis created this task.Feb 26 2015, 12:50 PM
Nemo_bis raised the priority of this task from to Needs Triage.
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Jdforrester-WMF subscribed.Feb 26 2015, 5:39 PM

Well, we will move the wikitext save button to the top right when we do the "integrated two editors in one tab" work, but that's not for a while (and will be pretty disruptive for existing editors who are used to the existing workflow in the wikitext editor, so it's not something I'd recommend rushing).

There's already a GuidedTour kicked off by the GettingStarted system for the first-time wikitext edit experience; is this insufficient?

Aklapper renamed this task from Help VisualEditor users find the wikitext save button to Help VisualEditor users find the wikitext "Save" button.Mar 5 2015, 10:12 AM
Aklapper set Security to None.
In T90864#1070430, @Jdforrester-WMF wrote:

There's already a GuidedTour kicked off by the GettingStarted system for the first-time wikitext edit experience; is this insufficient?

^^^ @Nemo_bis ?

Nemo_bis mentioned this in T74350: Give a hint there is a save button in action=edit.Mar 7 2015, 9:01 PM
Aklapper changed the task status from Open to Stalled.Apr 13 2015, 10:55 AM

Setting status to stalled.
@Nemo_bis: Please reset the status when answering.

nshahquinn-wmf added a parent task: T101481: Improve and streamline VisualEditor's user education features.Jun 5 2015, 1:37 AM
Jdforrester-WMF triaged this task as Low priority.Jun 9 2015, 5:45 PM
Jdforrester-WMF added a project: VisualEditor-MediaWiki.
Jdforrester-WMF moved this task from To Triage to Freezer on the VisualEditor board.Jun 18 2015, 1:07 AM
Trizek-WMF subscribed.Jul 2 2015, 3:03 PM
Nemo_bis changed the task status from Stalled to Open.Jul 4 2015, 8:49 AM

There's already a GuidedTour kicked off by the GettingStarted system for the first-time wikitext edit experience; is this insufficient?

The users in question never got served such a thing AFAICT. So, yes, it's insufficient.

Nemo_bis mentioned this in T60588: WikiEditor: Extra buttons are confusing: "Publish" and "Save changes".Sep 7 2015, 7:21 AM
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Krenair updated the task description. (Show Details)Sep 7 2015, 12:44 PM
Jdforrester-WMF removed a parent task: T101481: Improve and streamline VisualEditor's user education features.Oct 6 2015, 12:27 AM
Jdforrester-WMF added a comment.Feb 16 2017, 5:34 PM

This will be solved by T104479: Provide a modern wikitext editor .

Nemo_bis added a comment.Feb 16 2017, 6:45 PM
In T90864#3033731, @Jdforrester-WMF wrote:

This will be solved by T104479: Provide a modern wikitext editor .

The solution feels rather overkill for the issue reported here, but yes, a consistent positioning of buttons is indeed one of the main gains I see from a "unification" of the editors.

Jdforrester-WMF added a subtask: T104479: Provide a modern wikitext editor .Feb 16 2017, 6:49 PM

Sorry for the gnostic comment; meant to add as a sub-task too. :-)

Volker_E subscribed.Mar 14 2018, 5:10 AM
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