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Amazon Helping To Change The Business Of Music
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December 19 2007

Amazon Helping To Change The Business Of Music

Michael Arrington

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The signs are everywhere that a revolution is taking place in music. DRM is history, the price of music is falling towards zero (and sometimes even free isn’t enough to slow piracy), and even big music sites like Yahoo are beginning to break ranks with the RIAA and labels.

But Amazon may be doing more than anyone else to change the way music is discovered, promoted and sold. Not only do they have a music store that only sells DRM-free music, but they are experimenting with startups who are trying to break the stranglehold that labels have on discovering, promoting and marketing new artists. These startups are giving artists a different path to find their fans. And Amazon is helping them.

Today Amazon announced that it is partnering with a European startup called SellABand and will sell music from SellABand artists. We first covered SellABand in August 2006 - unknown artists upload music to the site and ask fans to chip in $10 if they like what they hear. Once the band gets to $50,000 they’ve proven themselves, and they get to record a CD in a professional studio. Each fan gets a limited edition CD. If the artist doesn’t reach $50,000, the fans can get their money back or give it to another artist.

Earlier this year we noted that the model seems to work. Today, more than 6,000 artists have uploaded music to the site, and a lucky few have been picked by fans to record albums. The top artists will now have their music sold on Amazon UK as well, making the model even more attractive.

See our coverage of Strayform, a different startup with a variation on the SellABand business model.

Amazon also invested in a different startup in the music space - Amie Street. Amie Street is a company I have long admired - we first covered it in July 2006, and last year I added it to my list of “web 2.0 companies I couldn’t live without.”

Amie Street has a model for selling non-DRM music that simultaneously earns artists money and ranks artists by popularity of downloads. All songs start at free. As users begin to download a song, the price rises steadily until it reaches $0.99. So the more a song costs, the more popular it is. Most of the muck is filtered out by $0.25 or so, and the site has some really excellent music. Even some well known artists have tried it out.

Amie street says that the average first time purchase on the site is close to $10. Members spend an average of nearly 8 minutes on the site each visit, listening to some of the 850,000 songs available for download. They also recently inked a deal with CDBaby, where those artists can get their music ranked on Amie Street. And they just opened a Japanese version of the site that is selling anime as well as music.

OurStage, a Boston based startup we recently covered, has yet another way of ranking indie bands.

What’s similar about SellABand and Amie Street is that both startups remove the need for a label to “discover” new artists and promote them in the hope that they sell CDs. Instead, the crowd is deciding what they like and showing it by donating to the artist (SellABand) or downloading songs (Amie Street). If either succeeds, they’ll have Amazon at least partially to thank.

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  1. sd

    when can we vote on the crunchies???

  2. sd

    i have 2000 IPs lining up to spam the crunchies, bring it on!

  3. Technology Slice

    Piracy is killing the music industry. They have to do something.

  4. Tom Churm

    As someone who’s used Amazon to download MP3s, I’m wondering why they have a partnership with Real Player. I had to download and install some kind of extra software on my laptop before I could even purchase MP3s from Amazon, which was very inconvenient. And then Real Player of course stole all of the default file-settings on my computer for playing MP3 files, etc… In this day and age when every multimedia website uses Flash MP3 Players, I’m wondering why they chose to use Real Player.

  5. CAR

    amazon and google will be the big boys of 2008. I think music industry should put less effort on cds and put new songs straight to website with ads all over site better than people downloading on p2p program.

  6. Angela Hayden

    I’m glad to have options for listening to new artists. It’s exciting to hear all the creativity that’s out there. I love the trend of listeners making their voices heard. Definitely sick of the preprogrammed fm stations in my city.

    sincerely,
    angela hayden
    art goddess

  7. John Moulton

    real player = cancer

  8. Andrew

    It is not so simple to give up traditional record business system and move it online.

    Look, to record a song, a lot of money are required.

    1. To record one song (at the modern level) you need to spend several tens of hours (it may be more or less depending on the gentre, your skills, etc). Average record studio hourly rate is about $35/hour.

    2. You may need to rent some gear or instruments you currently do not have.

    3. You have to pay to producer, to a guy who mix it down, to a guy who masters your record, etc. Of course you can do it yourself, but it requires some specific knowledge.

    4. etc…

    You see, to record one song someone should invest up to few thousand dollars (per song). Also, musicians should eat, live somewhere, pay bills, etc. If they have a full-time job, they cannot have enough practice and therefore the music will not be so great.

    In early days, record labels looked for prospective musicians and gave them enough money to record an album (in exchange of predatory contract for selling this album).

    Now to reformat the record industry and get rid of middlemen (record labels) it is necessary to invent how to avoid musician to invest their own money in music production. Guys from SellABand seem to make steps in right direction.

  9. Chris Conley

    great news; looking forward to seeing more of this stuff soon as more and more companies and bands get on board

  10. Parul Bindra

    If Amazon passed on £6 for an album sale, then £2 of that would go to the fans, £2 to the band, and £2 to Times ..Great Job!!

    Parul
    www.bhopu.com

  11. lkratz

    Come on !

    Music is free. This is industry standard.

    http://www.alexa.com/data/deta.....size=Large


    Laurent

  12. dave

    SellaBand sounds like a cool concept but I’m not sure I’d plunk down $10…but I’m more a track vs. full CD purchaser.

    Do love Amie Street, though….

  13. Ryan

    Amazon’s DRM-free music store is certainly my first choice when the voices in my head say “buy that song.” To make it easier, I created a quick-search plugin for firefox/ie7 so I can see if amazon has the song I want. Lately, if it’s not DRM-free, I just don’t buy it.

    http://eleven21.com/blog/amazo.....refox-ie7/

  14. David Litsky

    Amiestreet is one of my favorites and their “Fantasy Record Label” Facebook applications r0×0rs my s0×0rs because you can turn your points into free music on the website. Honestly, Fantasy Record Label is one of the best examples I have seen of a website and a facebook application complimenting each other, and not competing against each other.

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  16. ITrush

    Great idea, this will help upcoming artist rank in the music industry!

    Nhick
    http://www.itrush.com

  17. Aaron

    I don’t know anybody who would consider themselves a casual music fan who pays any attention to stuff like this.

    The reason none of these music discovery sites have been particularly successful at breaking new bands (with a few exceptions) is that they’re trying to short-circuit a process that is completely ingrained in our culture: The tastemakers discover music and tell their friends. Statistically, there are always going to be very few tastemakers and lots of casual listeners who only listen to what they are told is worth listening to. Of course, the goal of any music discovery service is to try to turn everybody into a tastemaker, but simply put most people don’t have enough room in their heads to keep track of lots of new bands and artists. If they did they’d already be doing it, like my friend who skims IRC rooms for links to music torrent sites, downloads every album he can find, listens to all of them, and then alerts everyone he knows when he finds his new ‘favorite’ band of the moment.

    I’ve never - literally never - discovered a band I really liked through one of these services, and I listen to A LOT of music. However, I don’t have time to wade through thousands of crappy bands just to find one good one. And I say that not only as a music fan, but also as someone who has written, recorded, and produced music that has been on Myspace and Purevolume.

    That being said, if someone figures out a magic algorithm that will look at my taste in bands and give me something new and amazing (instead of suggesting Tool because I like the Mars Volta, for instance), I will be the first to sign up and sing its praises.

    @8 (Andrew):

    I would argue that it is a good thing that it is so difficult to get a recording made. It’s a lot cheaper than it used to be and everyone has access to decent gear, but there’s still a huge barrier to creating something really good.

    I’ll put it this way: Most of the bands who are good enough to deserve a great recording will be approached by a producer or a label. If they’re not, they’ll scrape and save and self-fund the project.

    If NEITHER of those things happen, then you need to question the quality of the band. If they’re not willing to work their asses off, then why should the mass market care that they can’t get a recording? Compared to the most popular bands, they’re lazy. And if nobody’s offering to record them for free or a discount, then they’re not very good. To make it, either you either have to work your ass off, be amazing enough for someone to want to work with you for free.

    Anybody else is just fooling around.

  18. Aaron

    Wow, first I’d like to apologize for the size of that comment. I got carried away!

    Second, before anybody jumps on me about it, that should be IRC *channels* and not *rooms.*

  19. .rb

    I would avoid the real player like the plague - if I was any company

    Amazon should know better.

    - SellAband - looks great though - I hope they succeed and in the process cripple the record labels.

  20. Tom Reeves

    This article combined with the David Byrne/Thom Yorke (TalkingHeads/Radiohead, collectively the Heads) make for a great update to changes in the music biz wrought by the internet. I have several comments on my blog (pwnership.com) so far.

    @technology slice - re: piracy - foster the obligation of reciprocity - music first, and if you liked payment second - and make paying much easier. When was the last time you could donate to a band simply because you ’stole’ their music and liked it?

    @andrew - as long as large money is involved, enterprises - labels mainly - will exchange money for the ownership of copyrights. Having enforceable copyrights is virtually necessary in order to finance the production of new music.

    @Ikratz - if I gave you a song, and you liked it, that gift isn’t free. You would feel some obligation to me. You might do nothing about that feeling. At the core is undeniable reciprocity.

    @Aaron - Signal to noise ratio. There has always been way to much noise when examining art. Part of it is taste. And part of it is a problem as old as dirt.

  21. Adam Martin {Fat Man}

    Shortly we’ll need a start-up that aggregates the most popular music from the plethora of music aggregation sites, so it’ll probably be a friend of yours shaped like a CD who can talk, dressed as Capt. Jack Sparrow with a small pocket for small change and some sort of light display (Xmas leftover) in order to get himself seen by anyone not in his neighbourhood

    The single should be free. The album needs to be a lot shorter, like about 6 songs, as let’s face it most of the other stuff is just filler to justify the inflated cover price. The cost of reproduction is zero, digital transmission, so where’s the money? Yup it’s live gigs and merchandise, not everyone can do a Radiohead, not everyone has that following, but getting your stuff heard (ie make it free) is going to help you get there, get people talking about it (music blogs, social networks) and then book the O2 (if you’re in London) pretend your the Zep et al and generally rock it.

    p2p distribution was made for this now evolving model, the pirates are the new record labels and I have singularly failed to make a Kylie Minogue song the Xmas number 1. Pah! there’s always next year.

  22. Adam Wexler

    The record labels are just about done, so it’s now up to the artists to get the music out there. The quality ones that throw an “r” into the term “band” are the ones that will see success down the road. It’s called the music business for a reason. A “band” and a “brand” are interchangeable these days. As i’ve maintained for over a year, the music will speak for itself only at a certain point. There’s plenty of phenomenal music out there, but it’s the ones with a savvy business minds behind the operation that will be successful.

    To build on what Aaron said before (and give a real life example), I’m up in Nashville at the moment in a studio with a band that I’ve been assisting in recent times. I know they have talent, but it’s a matter of making sure everybody else out there knows that (click my name to check out “The Minor Kings”). They’ve waited over four years to record their full-length debut, and hopefully it’s worth the wait as they’ve gotten a big time producer on board, Brian Virtue (Audioslave, Jane’s Addiction, etc). They’ve had demos floated around for quite some time, but it absolutely takes SERIOUS commitment to make things happen as they have very recently. I’m interested to see how SellABand works, but I have a question off the bat: If they were to get excess of 20,000 bands in the next year, how are enough people going to find and support each band?

    Amie Street is a great concept that I have not devoted enough of my time to yet. It’s a little complicated for the passive music fan, but i have the utmost respect for the creators because they share the same mentality as I do: get the music that deserves to be heard into the ears of those who deserve to listen.

    -Adam

    P.S. I have not taken the time to process the differences between buying music from Amazon vs. Itunes. I’m a record store or Itunes guy, but only because it’s the “norm” around here. Can somebody fill me in?

  23. Thomas

    It will be interesting to see what happens when the free riders destroy these naive models…

  24. Aaron

    @20 - Tom Reeves - I’m not exactly talking about signal to noise ratio.

    What I’m saying is that the way it works now, with influencers or sneezers or mavens or whatever word you want to use from a recent applicable book, there are a finite number of people who are willing to spend time sorting through the noise. What music discovery services are doing is trying to get MORE people to do that sorting, and I’m saying that it won’t work. Not only that, but the influencers have never needed music discovery services to do what they do - they’ll find the good stuff no matter what, and they want to find it badly enough that they’ll download full albums, free, without DRM or advertisements.

    As a side note, to go back to the example of my friend who does that and then suggests bands to friends - he’s probably made bands more money by suggesting that other people listen to them or go see them live than he has ’stolen’ by not buying their albums.

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  26. Mario Hemsley

    At Pax Stereo Tv (www.paxstereo.tv), our website model includes videos gathered from YouTube with dynamically updating widgets, and artists pages which include the videos and purchase links to Amazon.com. Truth is, Amazon has given us some of the best tools, and also a way to compete with the biggies. Amazon has also consistently provided more to indies than any other commercial entity. Apple may be the next in line for recognition of the services available through iTunes. We should support Amazon’s ongoing efforts, and commend them on their support to end DRM.

  27. Brian

    Addressing an earlier comment–@4–the Real Player is not required to use the Amazon MP3 store. Amazon MP3 store has nothing to do with the Real Player…they don’t require it, don’t link to it, don’t even mention it.

    Secondly, the Amazon MP3 store will *optionally* install a tiny helper app that will install your downloaded MP3 in the music player of your choice, such as iTunes or Windows Media Player.

    If you don’t want the helper app, you don’t have to install it. You can download tracks without it (it is required, however, to download full albums.)

  28. Paul

    @22 - Amazon and iTunes both let you set up accounts and then easily buy digital music by the song or by the album. But they differ in two major respects:

    1) Music from Amazon is sold in MP3 format, which means it can be used on as many different devices as you like. Music from iTunes can only be played in the subset of devices that support Apple’s AAC file formats. I believe iTunes itself will limit you to loading an AAC tune into 5 or fewer iPods. Bottom line: Buy from iTunes mainly if you’re sure you’ll only ever listen at your computer or from an Apple player. Buy from Amazon if you want to be sure that your music will play on your choice of player, and if you want to send a track or two to friends once in a while.

    2) Amazon and iTunes will have somewhat different music catalogs. Amazon is missing some labels now, may have more indie stuff (as described above). But Amazon will probably catch up on the mainstream labels in a month or so.

  29. Gary Storm

    I have a first-hand perspective of Sellaband, as my wife (Mandyleigh Storm) is one of the recording artists there now. The budget was raised by 434 fans and she chose to work recently with Mick Glossop (Producer: Van Morrison/Frank Zappa etc) in London. We live in Perth Australia btw with our two little girls. The album will be out in February worldwide, thanks to the excellent partnerships (like Amazon, The Orchard etc) that Sellaband (SAB) have put in place.

    One thing not mentioned is that EVERY ARTIST on SAB has 3 FREE MP3’s, drm-free, 256kbps to download. Every recorded artist does that, so there will also be free mp3’s from Mandyleigh. I think four more albums are being released in January, so even more free songs then. You can buy the other songs as downloads for 50c each or order the cd.

    When she first discovered Sellaband, we were of course a little suspicious and sceptical… but after doing research on them she uploaded her songs in November 2006. In June 2007 she hit the 50k (the 7th artist to do so and the first from Australia). There have now been 11 artists reaching the target (and a 12th will be there very soon). It takes alot of hard work and talent, and trust from the investors (who get a Limited Edition CD for every $10 they invest in an artist who makes the $50k. These cd’s can then be sold for them online and in stores if they wish).

    Sellaband is totally unique imho as it offers advice to the artists, but leaves ALL the choices up to them. That is unheard of in a record label. PLUS the masters of the album are owned by the artist after 12 months…. something else which is unheard of.

    Sellaband is all about being fair, so profits from the cd sales and downloads are split equally (1/3) between artist/investor/label.

    As for piracy…. hey, artists (and our little girls) need to eat too.

    Thanks Michael for outlining the great new initiatives in music out there :)

    Glad Brian mentioned that Amazon don’t force RealPlayer on you… I got scared for a minute.

  30. Bruce Warila

    @17 Aaron - great comments.

    “Amazon may be doing more than anyone else to change the way music is discovered, promoted and sold…” Come on Michael you must be running out of gas. DRM-Free and lower prices big deal. Amie Street’s pricing model - who cares. You said it yourself, the puck is moving away from paid to free anyways.

    So, what’s important to artists and the music industry now? Discovery and promotion is going to be driven by data. It all starts with a great song (albums not required). If a song is great it is repeatedly processed (played and counted) by the iTunes desktop client (it dominates music management clients). That data finds its’ way to iLike & Last.FM & a few other places, including Apple. Songs are tagged, recommendations are made, music is discovered.

    Every link on the retail value chain to the left of music acquisition (traditional A&R, distribution, radio, fake-friending, point of sale) - except for music creation is becoming irrelevant and trivial.

    Value creation is happening to the right of music acquisition. Data acquisition, data mining, statistical analysis, social tagging, automated tagging, fingerprinting, etc, etc. This is the stuff that will enable every artist with a great song to be heard someday. It’s also the basis for funneling songs into the millions of (paid and ad-supported) streams that consumers will tap into - from any place, on every device, at any time…

    Sorry, but $50,000 albums are foolish and Amazon’s music play is so 2006. If you are an artists reading this - give away your product (MP3s) to sell content. Huh? Explained elsewhere…

  31. Rusty

    You also features YouLicense.com the online music licensing marketplace which I think is a great example of the new ground breaking music models over the web:
    http://www.techcrunch.com/2007.....oulicense/

  32. Chris

    @Aaron - I think what some of these sites need is a system similar to the one being tweaked on TheSixtyOne (http://www.thesixtyone.com). It is extremely easy to find music because the interface allows you to quickly listen to the full songs and it has a variety of ways to sort the music that is on there.

  33. Jeff Ward

    We’re also working on a site that makes it easy to sell their music online. It’s called Apricado and you can check it out at http://www.apricado.com. Artists retain 80% of their royalties and is all DRM-Free. We’re focusing on just the payment/download transaction for now and not so much on the store aspect.

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