Wikidata:Property proposal/LombardiaBeniCulturali collection ID

LombardiaBeniCulturali collection ID

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

   Done: LombardiaBeniCulturali collection ID (P12703) (Talk and documentation)

Description	ID of a collection on lombardiabeniculturali.it
Data type	String
Domain	collection (Q2668072)
Example 1	Q125299216 → 19
Example 2	Q125692476 → 131
Example 3	Museo d'arte antica (Q62305779) → 107
Number of IDs in source	78
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://www.lombardiabeniculturali.it/opere-arte/collezioni/$1
See also	LombardiaBeniCulturali toponym ID (P3850), LombardiaBeniCulturali institution ID (P3849), LombardiaBeniCulturali artwork ID (P3855), LombardiaBeniCulturali building ID (P3503), LombardiaBeniCulturali artwork author ID (P8210), LombardiaBeniCulturali archive producer organization ID (P9194), LombardiaBeniCulturali archive producer person ID (P9193), LombardiaBeniCulturali archive producer family ID (P9195), LombardiaBeniCulturali architecture author ID (P8271)
Single-value constraint	yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject Arts (Q14942897)

Motivation

As the other identifiers already present on wikidata for LombardiaBeniCulturali, the collection identifier is also very useful to link to collections pages.

Discussion

• Airon90 ValterVB Alexmar983 Epìdosis Pietro Jura Beta16 Yiyi Sannita Camelia Sentruper Pierpao Marcok CristianNX Daniele Pugliesi (WMIT) AttoRenato Parma1983 Aborruso Sabas88 Lalupa DnaX Fausta Samaritani Patafisik Malore Jtorquy Nicholas Gemini Civvì Devbug Afnecors Susanna Giaccai FabC FeltriaUrbsPicta Horcrux Uomovariabile Luckyz Francians Carlobia Ferdi2005 Luca.favorido Lemure Saltante Giacomo Alessandroni divudì Federica Gaspari Zwolfz Daniele Santini Bargioni Wiccio S4b1nuz E.656
  Notified participants of WikiProject Italy --Yiyi .... (talk!) 15:07, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
• Tubezlob VIGNERON Jane023 Pigsonthewing Ambrosiani Spinster Wittylama Fuzheado Daniel Mietchen Marsupium Martingggg Anne-LaureM Beat Estermann Manu1400 Mauricio V. Genta Patafisik MartinPoulter Tris T7 BeatrixBelibaste Clifflandis Mrtngrsbch Reciproque Weadock313 (talk) 21:56, 27 November 2019 (UTC) ProtoplasmaKid Crowjane7 Scarey1 (talk) 11:55, 9 February 2021 (UTC) Zblace Suna no onna Maxime Ravel Antoine2711 S.v.Mering
  Notified participants of WikiProject Museums --Yiyi .... (talk!) 15:07, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
•  Support That's a relevant catalogue for artworks in Italy. --Ysogo (talk) 21:50, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
• @Yiyi, Ysogo:  Done as LombardiaBeniCulturali collection ID (P12703). Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 13:44, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
•  Comment @Yiyi, Ysogo, ZI Jony: Why isn’t this an external identifier? It has a formatter URL, a single value constraint, a unique value constraint, the number of IDs is given, and its name includes “ID” – all properties of external IDs. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 18:22, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

  @Tacsipacsi:, here are some examples that has a formatter URL, "ID" included in the title, and properties data type is "String". RTE substation ID (P12583), HomoloGene ID (P593), ICPC 2 ID (P667), NCI Thesaurus ID (P1748) Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 04:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

  @ZI Jony: Per Property talk:P1748, that property isn’t an external identifier because of the too many single/unique value constraint violations (to the day: as of 7 May, there are 1400 single value and 1362 unique value constraint violations). HomoloGene ID (P593) and ICPC 2 ID (P667) don’t even have unique value constraints. The former seems to be an exception to the rule; the latter two don’t even match the rule.

  RTE substation ID (P12583) is a fairly new property, proposed by a user with less than a thousand edits and created by you this April. The fact that you’ve already made this mistake doesn’t mean it’s not a mistake. (And P12583 hasn’t been used yet anywhere except for the three example statements you added when creating the property, so the chances that someone noticed that it’s in the wrong section are pretty low.) —Tacsipacsi (talk) 20:39, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

  @Tacsipacsi: you mean say that none of users who participated in the discussion of the RTE substation ID proposal noticed that the data type was selected incorrectly! However, I would like to suggest that open a discussion to change data type from "string" to "external identifier" (even for both) so that we could ahead. Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 06:22, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

  @ZI Jony:

  you mean say that none of users who participated in the discussion of the RTE substation ID proposal noticed that the data type was selected incorrectly!

  Yes, I do. In total, other than the proposers, two users participated there and one user here. If I would’ve been among them, I probably would’ve overseen it as well – that single line is quite subtle, and everything else (examples, presence of the formatter URL) is right. (I only noticed it because it was listed in the “General datatypes” section in the weekly newsletter.)

  However, I would like to suggest that open a discussion to change data type from "string" to "external identifier" (even for both) so that we could ahead.

  I’ve opened a discussion by commenting here. Or does it need to be more formal? How does it need to look like? Where should it be? —Tacsipacsi (talk) 14:21, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Change data type

@Yiyi, Ysogo, David.Monniaux, Back ache, Vladimir Alexiev: I would like to request all of you to give opinions to change data from "string" to "external identifier" for RTE substation ID (P12583) and LombardiaBeniCulturali collection ID (P12703) as proposed by Tacsipacsi. Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 03:31, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

 Support I don't see why not. I have added a URL match pattern to LombardiaBeniCulturali collection ID (P12703) and translated its description to Spanish Back ache (talk) 09:37, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

 Support --Yiyi .... (talk!) 09:40, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

 Support of course. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 07:17, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

•  Done Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 09:18, 23 June 2024 (UTC)