Talk:Q1084
Autodescription — noun (Q1084)
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[edit]Noé a attiré mon attention sur le libellé en français de cet élément. « nom » ou « nom commun » est plus commun and compréhensible que « substantif » et l'article sur la Wikipédia en français est bien w:fr:Nom (grammaire) (peut-être y a-t-il différent concepts derrière ces deux mots mais cet élément me semble porter sur le concept général qui est « nom »). Je propose donc d'inverse le changement fait par Andreasmperu en 2013 (Special:Diff/13602256). Qu'en pensez-vous ?
Noé draw my attention to the French label of this item. "nom" or "nom commun" is more common and comprehensible than "substantif" and indeed the article on the French Wikipédia is w:fr:Nom (grammaire) (maybe there is different concepts behind these two words but this item seems to be about the general concept which is "nom"). So I propose to reverse the change made by Andreasmperu in 2013 (Special:Diff/13602256). What do you think?
@Pamputt:
Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 12:04, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
- D'accord pour inverser le libellé et l'alias, c'est-à-dire utiliser « nom » dans le libellé et « substantif » comme alias. Pamputt (talk) 12:32, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
- Dans certaines approches théoriques, substantif et nom recouvrent deux réalités différentes, mais dans la vie courante, les deux termes sont utilisés indifféremment pour désigner la même chose. Je suis donc d'accord pour inverser le libellé et l'alias. -- Noé (talk) 12:41, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
@Infovarius: olá! Não há precedente para que noun (Q1084) seja uma subclasse (subgrupo) de nominal locution (Q29888377). Como precedentes, quero apontar para adjective (Q34698), adverb (Q380057) e preposition (Q4833830) (que não possuem tal relação com attributive locution (Q12734432), adverbial locution (Q5978303) e prepositional locution (Q10319522)). E primariamente na gramática o destaque está para as palavras depois é que se aprende/ensina grupo de palavras. A relação é diferente, mas building (Q41176) não é subclasse de architectural ensemble (Q1497375). Por isso reverti tua edição. Saudações, --Luan (talk) 19:52, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Luan: привет! группа может состоять из одного члена, и поэтому частным случаем nominal locution (Q29888377) является само noun (Q1084). Указанные прецеденты я бы тоже поменял. --Infovarius (talk) 19:15, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Infovarius: a condição para ser uma locution (Q3257782) é justamente ser formada por duas ou mais palavras (com o mesmo sentido e classe gramatical). Não existe locução de uma única palavra., Não há como ser um grupo composto por um membro. É a mesma ideia de alloy (Q37756), mixture (Q169336), Dicotyledones (Q8316), multi-instrumentalist (Q1327329). --Luan (talk) 02:12, 14 January 2021 (UTC)