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Autodescription — list of cities in Norway (Q188640)
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[edit]@Einar Myre: et al. Does Wikidata have special items for Norwegian places with "bystatus" or "kjøpstad"? (Is the latter still a thing?) I am developing a template for svwiki, and I have this far only takes special care for "tettested". 62 etc (talk) 18:41, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Sextvåetc: We don't currently have an item for "city in Norway", and the term doesn't really have any legal significance anymore. I think it might be a good idea to create one, though, so we'll be able to register which places have been given city status. Also pinging @Mario947, who recently suggested the same thing. Einar Myre (talk) 19:49, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Einar Myre: We have a similair situation in Sweden. Kramfors Town (Q10548508) was a municipality of city-type. (Before the 1950's they had higher taxes and were regulated by more strict laws.) They were all abolished in 1971. Some municipalities still name themselves citys, and the law gives them that right. But it has no legal effect at all except that instead of "kommunalfullmäktige", they call it "stadsfullmäktige", and sometimes the head "kommunalråd" calls him/herself "borgmästare". (But not in Stockholm, they are by tradition "borgarråd".)
- The difference I experience with Norway, is that while we/they in Sweden name the whole municipality city, you only name the municipalitys main tettested city? 62 etc (talk) 05:12, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Sextvåetc: It used to be (until 1992) that the municipalities were either urban or rural municipalities here as well. After that, all cities kept their status, and since 1997, municipalities can decide to use the term for places of a certain size, or for the municipality itself. So actually it's not always that clear, when the municipality and the settlement has the same name, which one is actually the city, see no:Bystatus#Norge for more details.
- In Wikidata, we generally associate the city status with the settlement, but we have at least a few cases where the city itself has a distinct item, separate from both the municipality and the urban area in Norway (Q15092344) (Oslo (Q585)/Oslo Municipality (Q5245991)/Oslo urban area (Q6073453); Tromsø (Q42328401)/Tromsø Municipality (Q26087)/Tromsø (Q42327853); Ålesund (Q42900680)/Ålesund Municipality (Q62266)/Ålesund (Q26772370)). Einar Myre (talk) 13:46, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- In the mouth of the people (i.e. not by law) "stad" in Sweden is often used to describe the namesake tettested of a former city-type municipality. In the case of Stockholm, we have one item (and article) for the tettested, one for the municpality, one for the the abolished stadskommun and one for the "informal city", whatever that is. 62 etc (talk) 13:54, 19 May 2021 (UTC)