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BADNAC

You have made a bad close per WP:BADNAC #2, please revert your close and allow a proper admin closer to take place. Talk:Frederik IX#Requested move 15 January 2024  // Timothy :: talk  12:03, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

TimothyBlue, I do not consider this close as violating BADNAC #2. Per policy and arguments, it was very clearly in support of move, not no consensus. Every oppose argument was fairly rebutted, and there was no clear reasoning given why the RFC should be ignored here. This seems to be primarily about the larger scope consensus discussion (on NCROY itself), so I encourage taking it to a Village Pump or similar; or discuss this specific close at WP:Move review if necessary. Soni (talk) 14:21, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Are you aware there is an Arbcom discussion about this subject? If this has made it all the way to Arbcom, tt clearly meets BADNAC #2. Again asking you to revert your close and move. You are welcome to become involved in the Arbcom discussion. I'm making a simple request, allow a proper close or at least wait until the outcome of the Arbcom discussion.  // Timothy :: talk  14:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

I did reference the Arbcom discussion in my first sentence of the close, so I should hope so. The Arbcom case is primarily behavioural, as is generally their standard. Unless Arbcom explicitly decides to involve themselves in consensus creation, the overall discussion would still stay under an admin noticeboard or a village pump, one of which has a discussion started already.

As for this specific RM, I have reread the entire discussion once already. The broader question causing strife does not inherently make all subdiscussions contentious. The evaluation on the RM was"Frederik IX" vs "Frederik IX of Denmark" and "How much does the existence of non king Frederick IXs change this", which can be safely evaluated regardless. I have a splitting headache so I'll sleep on it before reading further discussions. Do you have any concerns with the close other than my admin-ness? Soni (talk) 14:52, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

All I'm asking is for you to revert your close/move and allow a proper close.

From the amount of discussion surrounding this issue, closes in the area clearly meets BADNAC, regardless of the outcome. Closing this when you know there is an active Arbcom and move reviews already underway for this issue is a problem. How could you not see this as a BADNAC? These are obviously controversial, I have no idea why you would choose to further this problem.

A regular request for close can be made, it will avoid another drawn out move review being requested, and it will not be drawn into whatever is next after Arbcom reaches its decision. Insisting on retaining this close will only add to the problem, reverting it and then participating in the discussion will help with the solution.

I think this is a pretty simple request, it is obvious from Arbcom more is coming for these discussions, let this work out without another BADNAC to add to the bunch.  // Timothy :: talk  15:37, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

I have made a statement at the Arbcom case. I find this request to be quite odd, given your claims of Arbcom adjudicating on this (They do not deal with local or global consensus, ordinarily) nor your lack of explanations for why this close itself is incorrect. I have noted that I do not object to another admin redoing my close, but in the interest of WP:NOTBURO, I will not be reverting it myself.

If you have any further opinions on this, I recommend another venue. It does not seem like a "simple request", and I prefer to not be further pressured on this. Soni (talk) 20:33, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

		The Original Barnstar
		I saw how you closed the Frederik IX requested move back in May, and I have to say I really admired your willingness to close such a heated discussion (when no one else did for months) and how you stood by your decision even after being pressured. Kudos to you! Dantus21 (talk) 01:43, 20 June 2024 (UTC)