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== Edit genre ==
== "failed standup comedian" isn't accurate ==


May I know from which source we are retrieving the genre for a movie? [[User:Ashokkumar047|Ashokkumar047]] ([[User talk:Ashokkumar047|talk]]) 10:45, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
For most of the film he is not a standup comedian, and though he fails in many ways, it's ambiguous as to whether he is failing at standup.


:Genre is formed by consensu, not sources. [[User:NEDOCHAN|NEDOCHAN]] ([[User talk:NEDOCHAN|talk]]) 22:05, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
He has some nervous difficulties on stage during his first booking which is beyond the normal range of cringe for a first-time standup comic, but not by all that much. The rest of the show may have been (and probably was) abysmal, but if it was, ''we are not shown.'' He leaves with his confidence squarely intact (delusional or not) and a bunch of media attention that seems like it would be sufficient to get him further gigs. He was not cast out and he has not given up. That isn't failure. In order to succeed at anything we first need to do it badly a few times. It's okay to do things badly. If you are bad at something, you can get better at it. It's important to have that internalized. I am worried that the people who perceive Arthur as having failed in standup do not get that stuff, and that would be no way to live, and they should try to cultivate more faith in themselves and others.
::Since when? Is the genre policy different between movies and albums? I distinctly remember a few issues with "unsourced genres" from albums in the past. Though I agree it is definitely a thriller and not a crime film, last I checked it was listed as a ''psychological'' thriller, and in my eyes it deserves the designation easily. What happened there? [[User:Nerdwizard|Nerdwizard]] ([[User talk:Nerdwizard|talk]]) 02:54, 3 August 2023 (UTC)


== Johnny Carson ==
(related note, I was reading, recently, [https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/vwM7hnT9ysE3suwfk/notes-on-the-anthropology-of-childhood#How_do_children_learn_ many non-western cultures seem to engage in very little deliberate teaching], and some of it (as well as personal experience) is sort of suggestive to me of an innate human tendency to underrate peoples' capacities to learn. I wonder what that's about. I might consider a theory that... our capacity to learn has recently grown faster than our social instincts about learning could keep up with it... but I don't like this theory.)


Is no one mentioning that Murray Franklin shares strong visual similarities with Johnny Carson? From the White Suit Top to the Colored Curtains etc?
Why are people saying "failed"? Where did that come from? I think there was a joker comic where that was the case, but you know, that's its own thing.
[[User:Myas012|Myas012]] ([[User talk:Myas012|talk]]) 04:54, 5 September 2020 (UTC)


This wouldn't also be the first time DC Comics has in general made a characterization of a celebrity comedian only to have them brutally murdered. Other victims of this include Abbot and Costello, and David Letterman.
::updated to an aspiring stand up comedian.[[User:Asr1014|Asr1014]] ([[User talk:Asr1014|talk]]) 06:35, 30 March 2022 (UTC)


Is there an honest reason for this? [[User:Maxcardun|Maxcardun]] ([[User talk:Maxcardun|talk]]) 17:03, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
== Lots of poorly written sentences, and some awful ones. ==


:You need to [[WP:CITE|cite]] a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] that discusses any of this. [[User:DonQuixote|DonQuixote]] ([[User talk:DonQuixote|talk]]) 21:32, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't have the time or inclination to rewrite any of this myself. I hope it will catch the eye of an interested editor.
::I agree, but I just find it strange no one spoke about this yet. [[User:Maxcardun|Maxcardun]] ([[User talk:Maxcardun|talk]]) 16:17, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

The poorly written sentences that I found were in the Design/Set section:

"...said he established the filming location of Gotham Square in Newark as a film set because there was still '''poverty'''."

"that it is a '''more realistic name in the real world'''."

"'''The theater scene displays''' posters of Zorro, The Gay Blade and Excalibur, '''commonly found visual elements in other media when the parents of Bruce Wayne are dead''', including Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice.'''; additionally''', the poster of Arthur, released in 1981, '''noticed a specific period in this film'''."

"The '''norm''' "Super Rat" in radio broadcast '''referred to''' Ratcatcher, one of '''the Batman villains'''..."

"'''Pogo's Comedy Club where Arthur played stand-up show''' is '''named after stage name''' of John Wayne Gacy, '''being notorious as "killer clown"'''."

"'''The billboard written "Ace in the hole"''', located '''on behind of clowns''' in the last scene, '''was from a''' line of '''Joker''' in The Dark Knight; "


I would hope everything I have marked above with a bold effect is obviously wrong to those reading this.

This list above is not necessarily exhaustive: I suggest looking at who added/edited the sentences I identified, and reviewing all of their edits (at the very least, on this page).

[[User:Ed10101|Ed10101]] ([[User talk:Ed10101|talk]]) 22:58, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

:Yes. someone really needs to work on that section. [[Special:Contributions/68.13.37.74|68.13.37.74]] ([[User talk:68.13.37.74|talk]]) 02:16, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Wow, agreed. I came here to start a conversation on this. Lack of articles indicates probably written by a Chinese or Russian speaker and maybe translated. Anyone want to fix this????? [[User:Alexandermoir|Alexandermoir]] ([[User talk:Alexandermoir|talk]]) 17:43, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:Alexandermoir|Alexandermoir]] @[[User:Ed10101|Ed10101]]Very late reply here, but I will do it eventually. You all can do it too, and any other editors interested, be [[Wikipedia:Be bold|WP:BOLD]]. There is a lot of content in the set design section which enumerates Easter eggs which is completely redundant, so I’ll work on improving the Design section and copy editing the article in the following months. [[User:Dcdiehardfan|Dcdiehardfan]] ([[User talk:Dcdiehardfan|talk]]) 05:26, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
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== Genre headline ==

When The Batman which is mystery thriller defined as superhero movie, then why is Joker defined as psychological thriller film when it is just another comic book movie. [[User:Ashokkumar047|Ashokkumar047]] ([[User talk:Ashokkumar047|talk]]) 15:29, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

: Because, quite clearly, Joker is about a superhero who saves people and defeats bad guys. Give me a break. [[User:Cardei012597|Cardei012597]] ([[User talk:Cardei012597|talk]]) 01:17, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

: That was a bit too sarcastic, but you should get the point. Joker is not a superhero movie because Joker is not a superhero. A superhero saves people, or fights to protect the innocent, and the character Joker in the film does not represent the qualities associated with superheroism. [[User:Cardei012597|Cardei012597]] ([[User talk:Cardei012597|talk]]) 01:23, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

== Additional Music Omission ==

There is no mentoin of the Jackson C. Frank song Carnival which is used in the film. This is a significant omission as the song both in terms of the lyrics and the tone speak to the essential essence of the character. There is also a subtler sub-text which must have been deliberate , insofar as the tragic life and lack of recognition that the singer Jackson C. Frank experienced mirrors in no small part the experince of the fictional character Arthur Fleck. [[User:Dorchdaddy1!|Dorchdaddy1!]] ([[User talk:Dorchdaddy1!|talk]]) 16:29, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

== 2024 new sequel ==

new sequel upcoming [[Special:Contributions/2A00:1110:128:44B2:9927:269:2E5:E088|2A00:1110:128:44B2:9927:269:2E5:E088]] ([[User talk:2A00:1110:128:44B2:9927:269:2E5:E088|talk]]) 08:42, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
:[[Joker (2019 film)#Sequel]] already says: "On August 3, Warner Bros. Pictures announced that the film will be released on October 4, 2024." [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 18:07, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

== add gypsy crusader to Cultural impact ==

[[GypsyCrusader|gypsy]] is well known with his "joker" chracter that inspired by this movie... then, why not add it? ----[[User:Modern primat|modern_primat]] [[Special:Contributions/Modern_primat|ඞඞඞ]] <sup>[[User talk:Modern primat|TALK]]</sup> 21:45, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
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Latest revision as of 19:59, 26 March 2024

Good articleJoker (2019 film) has been listed as one of the Media and drama good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
September 12, 2018Articles for deletionKept
September 2, 2020Good article nomineeListed
Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on September 14, 2020.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that President Donald Trump watched the 2019 film Joker with his friends and family at the White House and reportedly enjoyed it?
Current status: Good article

Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 22:23, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Improved to Good Article status by Some Dude From North Carolina (talk). Self-nominated at 16:46, 2 September 2020 (UTC).[reply]

  • Passes DYK check, article promoted to GA on September 2, 2020, hook properly cited and matches reference contents. --benlisquareT•C•E 14:25, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Edit genre[edit]

May I know from which source we are retrieving the genre for a movie? Ashokkumar047 (talk) 10:45, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Genre is formed by consensu, not sources. NEDOCHAN (talk) 22:05, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Since when? Is the genre policy different between movies and albums? I distinctly remember a few issues with "unsourced genres" from albums in the past. Though I agree it is definitely a thriller and not a crime film, last I checked it was listed as a psychological thriller, and in my eyes it deserves the designation easily. What happened there? Nerdwizard (talk) 02:54, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Johnny Carson[edit]

Is no one mentioning that Murray Franklin shares strong visual similarities with Johnny Carson? From the White Suit Top to the Colored Curtains etc?

This wouldn't also be the first time DC Comics has in general made a characterization of a celebrity comedian only to have them brutally murdered. Other victims of this include Abbot and Costello, and David Letterman.

Is there an honest reason for this? Maxcardun (talk) 17:03, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You need to cite a reliable source that discusses any of this. DonQuixote (talk) 21:32, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, but I just find it strange no one spoke about this yet. Maxcardun (talk) 16:17, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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