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: – [[User:Catboy69|Catboy69]] ([[User talk:Catboy69|talk]]) 14:56, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
: – [[User:Catboy69|Catboy69]] ([[User talk:Catboy69|talk]]) 14:56, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
::* '''Support''' move per nom, also leaves namespace open for a primary article on the topic of Apartheid in general. - [[User:Darker Dreams|Darker Dreams]] ([[User talk:Darker Dreams|talk]]) 05:57, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


* ''([[Talk:Bed Bath & Beyond#Requested move 12 October 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[Bed Bath & Beyond]] → {{no redirect|Bed Bath & Beyond (big-box retailer)}}''' – The old Bed Bath & Beyond has failed, and has discarded the name by changing its name to 20230930-DK-Butterfly-1, Inc., probably because it no longer owns the old name. Overstock.com has purchased the name and become the new Bed Bath & Beyond. Someone contested my move, forcing me to undo the moves and use this process. I originally thought that these corporate name changes had made the moves uncontroversial enough to be bold and move everything. [[User:Jesse Viviano|Jesse Viviano]] ([[User talk:Jesse Viviano|talk]]) 13:04, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
* ''([[Talk:Bed Bath & Beyond#Requested move 12 October 2023|Discuss]])'' – '''[[Bed Bath & Beyond]] → {{no redirect|Bed Bath & Beyond (big-box retailer)}}''' – The old Bed Bath & Beyond has failed, and has discarded the name by changing its name to 20230930-DK-Butterfly-1, Inc., probably because it no longer owns the old name. Overstock.com has purchased the name and become the new Bed Bath & Beyond. Someone contested my move, forcing me to undo the moves and use this process. I originally thought that these corporate name changes had made the moves uncontroversial enough to be bold and move everything. [[User:Jesse Viviano|Jesse Viviano]] ([[User talk:Jesse Viviano|talk]]) 13:04, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

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This page lists all requests filed or identified as potentially controversial which are currently under discussion.

This list is also available in a page-link-first format and in table format. 69 discussions have been relisted.

October 13, 2023

  • (Discuss) – Hebrew Bible → Tanakh – Placing the central Jewish holy text at a name that is derivative of the Christian holy text is a deeply embedded structural and systemic bias. This is exactly the same as placing the wikipedia page for Koran at the name "Islamic bible." Darker Dreams (talk) 05:23, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

October 12, 2023

  • (Discuss) – 2018–2019 Gaza border protests → Great March of Return – This has been discussed already in 2018 but I want to reopen the discussion as I believe the current naming goes against Wikipedia guidelines.  :WP:POVNAME: "When the subject of an article is referred to mainly by a single common name, as evidenced through usage in a significant majority of English-language sources, Wikipedia generally follows the sources and uses that name as its article title (subject to the other naming criteria). Sometimes that common name includes non-neutral words that Wikipedia normally avoids (e.g. Alexander the Great, or the Teapot Dome scandal). In such cases, the prevalence of the name, or the fact that a given description has effectively become a proper name (and that proper name has become the common name), generally overrides concern that Wikipedia might appear as endorsing one side of an issue. An article title with non-neutral terms cannot simply be a name commonly used in the past; it must be the common name in current use." Googling "Gaza border protest" gives off 6,360 results, while googling the "Great March of Return" gives a whooping 206,000 results! Great March of Return name is used by overwhelming majority of reliable sources including The Guardian, BBC, Middle East Eye, Al Jazeera, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, Medecins Sans Frontiers, a human rights journal, United Nations, and many scholarly works [1], [2]. The guidelines are clear and the evidence is overwhelming and this should not be a controversial move. Makeandtoss (talk) 21:29, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Motorpoint Arena Nottingham → Nottingham Arena – The unsponsored original name of the venue is the least confusing when dealing with ever-changing corporation sponsorship venues that are seemingly being named after. Nottingham Arena provides consistency throughout the encyclopedia and provides consistency to avoid using the advertising name of a building where possible as this is confusing and can cause endless ambiguity when one company sponsors multiple venues worldwide. Other buildings in England are not usually known by the naming rights holder name and are known by the unsponsored name, such as Wembley Arena, Liverpool Arena, Newcastle Arena, etc. Finally, Wikipedia is not an advert for the naming rights holder at any particular moment. The sponsored name should only be used where there is genuinely no unsponsored name which can be reasonably used, such as the home of Bolton Wanderers F.C or most Indy Car races, etc. PicturePerfect666 (talk) 21:18, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – First Direct Arena → Leeds Arena – The unsponsored original name of the venue is the least confusing when dealing with ever changing corporation sponsorship venues are seemingly being named after. Leeds Arena provides consistency throughout the encyclopedia and provides consistency to avoid using the advertising name of a building where possible as this is confusing and can cause endless ambiguity when one company sponsors multiple venues world wide. Other buildings in England are not usually known by the naming rights holder name and are known by the unsponsored name, such as Wembley Arena, Liverpool Arena, Newcastle Arena, etc. Finally Wikipedia is not an advert for the naming rights holder at any particular moment. The sponsored name should only be used where there is genuinely no unsponsored name which can be reasonably used, such as the home of Bolton Wanderers F.C or most Indy Car races, etc.. PicturePerfect666 (talk) 21:09, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Operation Al-Aqsa Flood → ? – There are concerns that the name "Operation Al-Aqsa flood" might be POV. So what should this page be moved to? Options are: *Operation Al-Aqsa flood (status quo) *A descriptive title like "October 2023 Palestinian attack on Israel": **2023 or October 2023 or October 7, 2023? **Hamas or Palestinian or Palestinian militant? **Attack or offensive or incursion. VR talk 20:06, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Support move, prefer "October 2023 Palestinian attack on Israel" as target - Darker Dreams (talk) 05:54, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Apartheid → South Africa and apartheid – The page should be standardized to fit with other pages such as Israel and apartheid. Amnesty International identifies apartheid as "enforced racial segregation, and the domination and oppression of one racial group by another" and applies the definition to countries beyond South Africa[1]

References

  1. ^ https://www.amnestyusa.org/campaigns/end-apartheid/
– Catboy69 (talk) 14:56, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support move per nom, also leaves namespace open for a primary article on the topic of Apartheid in general. - Darker Dreams (talk) 05:57, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Willow (film) → Willow (1988 film) – title is clearly ambiguous as there is more than one film with this title. Per WP:DAB and WP:PRIMARYFILM, titles should be fully disambiguated if any ambiguity exists. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC only applies to undisambiguated titles, not partially disambiguated ones like this, unless an expcetion is made per WP:INCDAB. However, the general consensus on film is per the guideline WP:PRIMARYFILM so we need to defer to that here as the group consensus clearly trumps any individual consensus. --woodensuperman 12:36, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Preston Football Club (VFL) → Northern Bullants – Pretty straightforward move I would have thought. While the club is legally the Preston Football Club, it has been playing as the Northern Bullants since 2000, except for a period between 2012 and 2020 when they played as the Northern Blues. I think what happened in 2020 is that a user went to move the page back to Northern Bullants but couldn't, so used 'Preston Football Club (VFL)' as a disambiguation instead. The best comparison point for this is the Western Bulldogs, who while still legally known as the Footscray Football Club, have been playing under their trading name for almost three decades. The Bullants have not played as 'Preston' since 1999 and the name would likely not be known to any football fan under the age of 30. A WP:COMMONNAME move seems appropriate here. Gibbsyspin 08:18, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Rhodesian Bush War → Second Chimurenga – Per the recent discussion, I believe it makes the most sense and fits best with Wikipedia policy to move the page to Second Chimurenga. Ngram shows that the Second Chimurenga is by far the most common term for the war and always has been. "Rhodesian Bush War" suggests a bias towards the colonizers, and it is also not the most common name for the conflict, thus it goes against WP:POVNAMING as well as WP:COMMONNAME. I believe some have suggested that "Second Chimurenga" is also biased, just towards the anti-imperialist force--even if this were the case, per WP:POVNAMING, this would still be acceptable as it is by far the most common name for the conflict. Sophie (talk) 02:20, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Timmarasu → Timmarasa – Original texts of the person calls him as 'Timmarasa' not 'Timmarasu' as discussed in tha talk page with source provided to it CatTheMeow (talk) 03:50, 2 October 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 01:53, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Prime Minister's Official Residence (Japan) → Prime Minister's Office of Japan – Kantei is not used as the offcial residence of PM, instead Sōri Kōtei (総理そうり公邸こうてい), the Prime Minister's personal residential quarters may be used as the official residence. kantei.go.jp also use Prime Minister's Office of Japan as the English translation now. An alternate naming could be Kantei to show its uniqueness. PointInfo (talk) 04:10, 22 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 01:47, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

October 11, 2023

  • (Discuss) – Takehiko Yamashina → Prince Yamashina Takehiko – Japan's imperial family had a lot of cadet branches whose members were stripped of their titles after World War II. They started using names and surnames but the pages for all the heads of these deposed cadet branches use the pre-abolition styles, the only exceptions are these two former princes. Most of them had obscure private lives after their loss of titles so most sources focus on the periods of their lives when they were princes, moving these two pages would also create consistency with how the pages for their cousins are titled. Killuminator (talk) 01:38, 29 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BegbertBiggs (talk) 22:33, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Wrexham Glyndŵr University → Wrexham University – The University formally announced in April, it would be dropping Glyndwr and undergoing a rebrand. It's website, Wrexham.ac.uk is now for the new name, previously being glyndwr.ac.uk. News sources, such as the recent controversy on a visiting professor, fully independent on the topic of the name change, are using the new name. These include, BBC News, Nation.Cymru[6], Daily Post, The Leader, WalesOnline. Other sources on other topics also use the new name, such as Business News Wales, and the local council. Therefore this should statisfy, WP:NAMECHANGES, Sometimes the subject of an article will undergo a change of name. When this occurs, we give extra weight to independent, reliable English-language sources ("reliable sources") written after the name change. If the reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name, Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match. as multiple news sources after the name change routinely use the new name over the old. With the old name being absent in these sources. As this is also a formal body and a minor name change seems less controversial, than needing a more indepth proposal, but happy to alter it if needed or rejected. DankJae 20:19, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Mesonychid → Mesonychia – Taxonomic names for extinct taxa themselves should be prioritized over taxonomic term versions, consistent with taxonomic clades where WP:CommonName doesn't apply. In this case, Mesonychia should be prioritized over "mesonychid." PrimalMustelid (talk) 17:57, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Legal recognition of non-binary gender → Legal recognition of non-binary people – People should not be defined by the gender that they were born with, and should be recognized as equal to each other, not because of their gender, but because they are humans. This is crucial for equality, since binary people are legally recognized by default and don't have to wait for any legislation for their recognition as humans. A research paper published in the International Journal of Gender, Sexuality and Law states that:  :

    "Legal recognition of non-binary people signals an expanded understanding of recognisable gender identities, but requires situating oneself within a bureaucratic framework."

    where "requires situating oneself within a bureaucratic framework" means requirement to appear in a court of law just for legal recognition of one's gender, which is required for non-binary people since no universal or international legislation has been passed for them to be recognized as people by default, unlike binary people.  :“Change can never be ‘complete’”: the legal right to self-identification and incongruous bodies[1] — CrafterNova [ TALK ] [ CONT ] 15:23, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Z-push → Z-Push – Z-Push with a capitalised P is the trademarked name. Articles referenced use this capitalisation. Matidau (talk) 11:55, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Cerner → Oracle Cerner – Cerner was purchased by Oracle in 2022, and has since been renamed to Oracle Cerner and branding updated. Tim (Talk) 11:20, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

October 10, 2023

  • (Discuss) – Libyan civil war (2011) → 2011 Libyan uprising – This page should move to 2011 Libyan uprising, as a both naturally disambiguated (per WP:NCDAB) and descriptive title (per WP:NCE) that also finds prevalence in scholarship. While "civil war" is one descriptor for this event, the majoritarian language for this event is as a "revolution" or "uprising". As Ngrams shows, there are more results for "revolution" and "uprising" overall than for "civil war". Of these two near synonyms, the terminology of "uprising" specifically is the most effective for disambiguating the event from the earlier revolution in the 1960s, since the terminology of "Libyan uprising" is fairly unique to this event as a specific move against a perceived dictator/Arab Spring uprising. "2011 Libyan uprising" also appears to find slightly more prevalence in scholarship, at 314 hits in google scholar to 262 hits for "2011 Libyan revolution". If all of the different names for the event are plugged in together, you will also see that uprising or revolution generally emerges on top. But ultimately it is a choice, as this source notes, different sources and authors use all of the terms “revolution,” “civil war ‚” and “uprisings” to capture different dimensions of the events unfolding in Libya from February to October 2011. But per the points put forward above, I would suggest that 2011 Libyan uprising is the best choice. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:26, 16 August 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 22:08, 29 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. EggRoll97 (talk) 02:11, 13 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:58, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Dongyue Emperor → ? – The current name "Dongyue Emperor" is a subject of controversy. I've initiated a discussion and am uncertain whether the article should be titled "Emperor Dongyue" or "Dongyue Dadi." I'm unsure which is more appropriate, and this decision may impact Xiyue Dadi. I warmly welcome opinions and comments from experienced editors and native Chinese editors. Thank you. 80.217.121.29 (talk) 06:36, 23 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:42, 2 October 2023 (UTC) — Relisting.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:57, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – C Sports Racer → Prototype 1 – The class/car is has not been referred to as "C Sports Racer" since 2013 and has been known as Prototype 1. The article should be updated to reflect that. Grahaml35 (talk) 13:03, 2 October 2023 (UTC) — Relisting.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:52, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – D Sports Racing → Prototype 2 (racing class) – The class/car has not been referred to as 'D Sports Racing' ever and has not been to 'D Sports Racer' since 2013. It is currently known since Prototype 2 and the article should be updated to reflect that. Grahaml35 (talk) 13:06, 2 October 2023 (UTC) — Relisting.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:52, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Priory of Vrana → Vrana Monastery – I suggest renaming the article to Vrana Monastery because Priory of Vrana existed only after knights Hospitalers took over the place, but this site has history which spans way longer. Source: Dobronić, Lelja, Templari i Ivanovci u Hrvatskoj (Templars and Hospitaliers in Croatia) Franjo Tahy (talk) 21:13, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Yaroslav Hunka → Yaroslav Hunka controversy – I previously nominated the page for deletion on grounds of non-notability and WP:1E. The result was Keep however many users wanted to keep and move, arguing that the event was notable, not the person. Other users disagreed, arguing that Hunka was notable in his own right. I counted at least 20 users with varying support for a move, overwhelming those explicitly against a move, however we ought to have the discussion. There was no consensus on what the article title should be. Suggestions included "Yaroslav Hunka affair", "Yaroslav Hunka scandal", "Yaroslav Hunka controversy", or even "Canadian Parliament Nazi ovation scandal" and there is no natural candidate based on the sources, probably because the event is so recent. My preference is for Yaroslav Hunka controversy, "affair" being a bit inappropriate and "scandal" being a bit POV. cagliost (talk) 14:22, 3 October 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. — MaterialWorks 19:51, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Punjab, India → Punjab (Indian state) – The last time any discussion was held on the title of any of these pages was in 2010, but our practice of disambiguating first-level administrative subdivisions has changed from then to use the parenthetical in many cases (for example, this is how subdivisions in the United States and Australia are disambiguated). Using a parenthetical makes more sense, as comma disambiguation is usually used for settlements or more local subdivisions. These on the other hand are usually considered geographical features, so parenthetical disambiguation is appropriate. While these titles are slightly longer, they make it far more clear to readers that the articles are referring to administrative subdivisions rather than settlements/cities. I am bundling these together as it does not make sense for the disambiguation style of Punjab in India and Pakistan to be different, and it would not make sense for Pakistan's subdivisions to have differing disambiguation styles either. Elli (talk | contribs) 17:52, 2 October 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. ❯❯❯ Raydann(Talk) 17:50, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Koryo-saram → Koryo Saram – WP:COMMONNAME per Google Ngram.[8] Some sources also use the capitalization Koryo saram, indicating a direct romanization from a foreign language. But our title should be the (more common) anglicized version per WP:ENG. English capitalizes proper names including names of peoples, nations, ethnocultural groups, etcetera.  —Michael Z. 05:44, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon → Luigi's Mansion 2 – The "Dark Moon" subtitle was only used in North America and Korea when the game first released in 2013. Considering that the remaster will now use "Luigi's Mansion 2" everywhere, I think the page should be moved as well since that will be the new name for the game globally. LeDroider (talk) 00:59, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

October 9, 2023

  • (Discuss) – Greenlandic Inuit → Greenlanders – This article is about the nationals of Greenland, which includes ethnicities that are not Greenlandic Inuit. Either this article should be rewritten to be about the Greenlandic Inuit, or the name should change to "Greenlanders" to reflect the current content of this article. I support both options. – Treetoes023 (talk) 18:48, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Egypt Eyalet → Ottoman Egypt – "Eyalet" is a Turkish term rarely used in English, not even particularly used in English references about this topic (who simply use "province"), so for general readers it's needlessly obscure and doesn't immediately convey the main topic described in the lead; i.e., Egypt as a division of the Ottoman Empire. "Ottoman Egypt" appears to be a far more WP:COMMONNAME when looking up ngrams ([9]) or comparing the number of hits on Google Books for "Ottoman Egypt" (50,100 [10]) versus "Egypt Eyalet" (1,370 [11]). R Prazeres (talk) 18:08, 29 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:58, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Kabylia → Kabylie – I strongly advocate for the use of "Kabylie" as the preferred name for the region. While the term "Kabylia" may appear to be an attempt to anglicize or align the name more closely with Algeria, it lacks significant usage in English-language sources. It is important that we prioritize accuracy in naming conventions. The name "Kabylie" has been widely accepted and recognized in both academic and popular discourse. Even advanced language models like ChatGPT, which have been trained on an extensive corpus of English-language sources, consistently use "Kabylie" when referring to the region. To support the use of "Kabylia," I would encourage the inclusion of reliable English-language sources, such as books, articles, and reputable websites, that consistently employ this term. Using "Kabylia" solely for the sake of anglicization or to sound more "Algerian" is not grounded in linguistic or academic precedent and should be avoided in favor of the established and widely accepted term, "Kabylie." AhmedDjoudi (talk) 12:44, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Koryo-saram cuisine → Soviet Korean cuisine – Proposed title is not firm. Struggling to figure out how to title this. I lean towards thinking the scope should include both Koryo-saram and Sakhalin Korean cuisine, as they may not be separately independently notable enough to merit a split. If that's the case, calling this page "Koryo-saram cuisine" is unfair to Sakhalin Koreans, who generally consider themselves separate (see Sakhalin Koreans for explanation). Brainstorming alternatives: * Post-Soviet Korean cuisine ** But this implies time scope is after the Soviet Union only * Soviet Korean cuisine ** Similar issue, risks sounding like it's during the Soviet Union era only * Russosphere Korean cuisine ** Could Koreans of Ukraine take offense to this? Not sure, does anyone know how Ukrainians in general feel about the term "Russosphere"? toobigtokale (talk) 02:13, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

October 8, 2023

  • (Discuss) – Alkaline hydrolysis (body disposal) → Water cremation – Move to an alternative name for WP:NATURAL disambiguation. The terms "water cremation" and "liquid cremation" or "aquamation" seem to be used in reliable sources nearly as much or more than "alkaline hydrolysis". Leave alkaline hydrolysis as the title for the scientific basis, and title this article with a more common term that naturally describes the topic, i.e. use a term that includes cremation. Mdewman6 (talk) 21:05, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Second Matabele War → First Chimurenga – The discussion of renaming this page has not been touched in 15 years, but since the Second Chimurenga/Rhodesian Bush War page is having a similar discussion, I believe now is the time to revisit it. Per WP:COMMONNAME, here is a Google Ngram for a few common names for the conflict. While "Second Matabele War" is certainly the oldest common name for the war, it has clearly not been the common term in over 40 years. I suggest using the term Chimurenga as it appears to be the most common, and I suggest First Chimurenga as the article title as it is both common and unambiguous. Chimurenga is also more accurate, referring to the conflicts fought by both the "Matabele" (Northern Ndebele people) in the north and "Mashona" (Shona people) in the south. While the article includes a section on both conflicts, the article title only refers to the former. Sophie (talk) 21:00, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Denka → Deng (Denka) – Since the article refers to the subject as "Deng", as do articles that link here, the title of the article should be "Deng". "Deng" by itself is ambiguous, so I sugest Deng (Denka), but it might be Deng (sky god). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:00, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Alpha-olefin → Terminal alkene – The term "alpha-olefin" or its various spellings (like αあるふぁ-olefin) are not in common use; for instance the term does not appear in the 3 organic chemistry textbooks I have access to. Olefin in general is becoming more and more a deprecated, or at least secondary, synonym for alkene. The subject of this article isn't really a concept that is discussed prevalently on its own, as the concepts are usually discussed in terms of vinyl groups and vinylidene groups, but if we're looking for a term that encompasses both functional groups, then "terminal alkene" seems most appropriate. It appears in at least one organic chemistry textbook, and has the advantage of avoiding confusion with Greek letter prefixes and hyphens. Linear alpha olefin should be moved analogously, except "straight-chain" is more precise and in more prevalent use than "linear" though I would be fine with either. Really, pending the outcome here I propose to merge the two articles, as I don't see a need for a daughter article here, and if that were to happen than the title of the second article would be moot. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:48, 29 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BegbertBiggs (talk) 12:34, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Polar forests of the Cretaceous → Polar forest – This has always seemed like a somewhat nebulous topic and article title. There is no doubt in my mind that the topic of "polar forest" is probably notable, but it seems strange to confine coverage of the topic solely to the Cretaceous period, when polars forests have existed for large streches of earth's history both before and after the Cretaceous. I intend to heavily rewrite the article if the move request goes through. Hemiauchenia (talk) 20:35, 20 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Adumbrativus (talk) 08:39, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Theranda City Stadium → Suva Reka City Stadium – First, Theranda is the unofficial name of Suva Reka and second, "Suva Reka City Stadium" is the original name of the stadium, and we should revert to that.
    → An editor named RoyalHeritageAlb has changed without discussion (at least on the talk page there is no evidence that this change was discussed) the name of the article from Suva Reka City Stadium to Theranda City Stadium. BalkanianActuality (talk) 18:15, 28 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Adumbrativus (talk) 08:37, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – BBN Music → Fortissimo Records – I'm requesting a reversion of the change of this page's title to "BBN Music". The UK record label Fortissimo Records has absolutely not been acquired by BBN Music. The record label is still under the control of Don Mclean and continues to release independent music. 84.65.174.133 (talk) 13:56, 27 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. EggRoll97 (talk) 02:09, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

October 7, 2023

  • (Discuss) – List of cities in the United States by elevation → List of highest communities in the United States – Following up after the no consensus result of the previous RM, I think there was rough consensus that the current title is worse than at least some of the options mentioned in the RM. Given that the closer did not fully invoke WP:NOGOODOPTIONS and actually choose something that is an improvement over the status quo, let's try again. Now that Buaidh has added designations, perhaps "communities" is the most accurate descriptor for the inclusion criteria as the list is currently constructed. Open to alternatives, but let's try to reach consensus on something. Mdewman6 (talk) 21:49, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Welsh Language Society → Cymdeithas yr Iaith – Change in common name used by independent, reliable, English-language secondary sources, per WP:COMMONNAME – Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources) over the last 12 months. Note, COMMONNAME does not mean the most popular name per Google Trends or Google Search, as stated in WP:WIAN, but the COMMONNAME in sources. As stated in the supporting evidence below, the lead of WLS in Ngrams has drastically reduced, with Welsh forms sometimes taking the lead, and Google News Articles from the last 12 months show more use of the Welsh name. Manually searching shows many publications in the UK and Wales use the Welsh name first or not in parenthesis, while possibly using WLS secondly, in parenthesis or as a potential descriptor. International recent sources are scarce, while many use WLS, they discuss past events which per WP:NAMECHANGES and WP:WIAN shouldn't be given too much weight in terms of context. Therefore decided there is a basis for a RM for consideration. DankJae 09:35, 29 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BegbertBiggs (talk) 17:14, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

October 6, 2023

  • (Discuss) – Nazi rule over the Danube River → Axis control of the Danube – Not sure we even need this article, but it should be renamed, Nazis never controlled the whole river, the closest they got was after they occupied Hungary, but they never had direct control of the Romanian and Bulgarian sections of the river. Also, "rule over" sounds quite pejorative, Germany had sections on the river on its internationally recognized territory and so did Axis members Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania, before I edited this article the infobox mentioned this as a "military occupation" [19] which is not completely true, furthermore more countries than Nazi Germany are included in the infobox. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 17:58, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • (Discuss) – Neigh (sound) → Neigh – Obvious primary topic by long-term significance. (Also by page views - since created on July 10, it outviews the DAB page almost 5 to 1 (1783 vs. 371) and the only other entry on the DAB page not in the See also section 162 to 1 (1783 to 11). It even has almost 30 times as many page views in all of 2023 as that other entry, which is the surname of a relatively obscure individual, despite this article not existing yet for around 2/3 of that time period.) Egsan Bacon (talk) 03:39, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Walter Hudson (world record holder) → Walter Hudson (1944–1991) – I don't think that "World record holder" is a great disambiguator here. If he has now passed away, he is no longer the "holder", as someone else would take the mantle after his passing. Now, the disambiguator could possibly be meaning that he "was" the former world record holder... but I don't think that's an automatic assumption, and still presents the article very vaguely (world record holder in what?). In any case, I think this should be moved back to the original title with the years of birth and death, as that description of lifetime is wholly absolute. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:55, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – 2010 Japan–South Korea cyberwarfare → 2010 South Korea–Japan cyber conflict – Not sure what a good new title would be. I don't know if there's an appropriate WP:COMMONNAME; upon some quick searching it's hard to even find anything in English about this topic. But "cyberwarfare" seems like strong wording at the very least; I feel like that term is usually reserved for state actors, and this was all private citizens. The targets may have been part of the state, but if I DDOS'd the white house homepage right now I don't think people would call it "cyberwarfare". toobigtokale (talk) 19:49, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Chrysanthus Janssen → Chrysanthus (arachnologist) – Chrysanthus, although born Wilhelmus Egbertus Antonius Janssen, is hardly ever referred to by the "Chrysanthus Janssen" with a combination of his monastic name and birth surname. None of the sources used as references for this Wikipedia article use this name (see #Title above), and there are only four Google hits, all in Dutch and three of which are trivial mentions, for "Chrysanthus Janssen" unrelated to the Wikipedia article's new name after it was changed without discussion from Father Chrysanthus (courtesy ping Medusahead). English sources routinely refer to him as "F[athe]r Chrysanthus" or just "Chrysanthus", but as he is notable for his arachnological research and Chrysanthus already exists as a disambiguation page, Chrysanthus (arachnologist) would work as a new name for this article; it already exists as a redirect here. Discussion at WT:D#Can a (religious) title be used to disambiguate? (courtesy ping: Cullen328, SMcCandlish) confirmed that the parenthetical (arachnologist) would be preferable to use of the title in the article name. Umimmak (talk) 01:44, 24 September 2023 (UTC) [Edit: just to clarify my own position, I just don't want it to be at Chrysanthus Janssen, but I don't have strong opinions between the article's original title Father Chrysanthus and Chrysanthus (arachnologist) — it just initially seemed there'd be more support for the latter so that's how I formulated the move request discussion. Umimmak (talk) 06:10, 25 September 2023 (UTC)] — Relisting. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 18:41, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Prehistory of Quebec → Pre-Columbian history of Quebec – I'm requesting a move/change of name because this is a full article that talks about Quebec's pre-Columbian or precolonial period. It covers 9000BC to European contact. Since most of the article covers time ranges that are more recent than 3000BC, the word prehistory is not accurate. But pre-columbian is because it ends at European contact. I cannot change the name myself as a redirect with that name already exists (the redirect leads to a subsection of the History of Quebec's page). Safyrr 03:34, 26 September 2023 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Mdewman6 (talk) 21:36, 26 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 18:35, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Marco Polo (miniseries) → Marco Polo (1982 miniseries) – This is clearly incomplete disambiguation, since a miniseries is also by any definition of the term a TV series. I would also not object to moving the 1982 one to Marco Polo (1982 TV series), as "miniseries" is an ill-defined term which means different things to different people (to me, it means a short series of 2-4 episodes, but I know other people use different definitions) and is probably best avoided as a disambiguator. I note that the 1982 series has sometimes been shown as six episodes rather than four, which is stretching the older definition of miniseries a bit. There did, incidentally, seem to be a fair amount of consensus for the second move in the 2016 discussion above, so I'm not really sure why it wasn't moved to Marco Polo (2014 TV series) then. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:42, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Sparebank → Savings banks in Norway – Just as we have Architecture of Italy and not Architettura, I don't see any reason to have an article on Norwegian savings banks listed under the Norwegian word for "savings bank". The article doesn't even use the term after the second sentence, other than in one name that includes it, it refers consistently to "savings banks". Instead of moving it myself, I've treated this as a potentially controversial for one reason: the first sentence suggests that this may be a particular kind of savings bank that exists in Norway distinct from other savings banks that also exist there. But as the remainder of the article addresses "savings banks", it appears to be about all of them, not just a subset of them, hence this proposal. Still, because of that small doubt that the first sentence created for me, I'm posting this move proposal for input from others. Largoplazo (talk) 09:58, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Air India Flight 182 → ? – Current page Title is misleading & does not mention the main issue of the Bombing. This RFC is about: Should the name of this Wiki page be changed to include "bombing" either as "1985 Air India Bombing: AI flight 182" or "Air India Flight 182 bombing RogerYg (talk) 07:10, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • (Discuss) – Samish (disambiguation) → Samish – A few months ago, Samish people was moved from the title Samish, with the move rationale suggesting there be a DAB at the base name Samish. It looks like that was never followed through with, but there is a DAB page here, so I'm starting a requested move to see where the community stands. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 19:58, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Hollywood Casino Amphitheatre (Maryland Heights, Missouri) → Riverport Amphitheatre – common name of a venue frequently name-changed due to naming rights sales. Venue has had 4 names in its existence, already required 1 move since the page was created due to naming rights sale (another would have been required if the page had been created a year earlier). There's every sign that it's going to change again in the next few years. Significant coverage, including the venue's own page, references it as "the former Riverport Amphitheatre" - suggesting that's a more useful identifier than the current name which will eventually need moved anyway to keep current. Darker Dreams (talk) 06:59, 14 September 2023 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Darker Dreams (talk) 01:44, 17 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. ❯❯❯ Raydann(Talk) 03:59, 26 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 19:46, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Alexei Nikolaevich, Tsarevich of Russia → ? – Both individuals were heirs apparent to the throne of Russia. Tsarevich and tsesarevich aren't the same title and they easily confuse people. Different titles were used in the two articles despite both individuals being in an identical position. This creates consistency issues. I'm not putting forward a particular choice for uniformity because this would invite reflexive supportive and oppositional votes. This format is better suited for a dialogue on how to best title both pages. The page for Alexei has had discussions before that went nowhere and same questions pop up from year to year. Killuminator (talk) 22:18, 23 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 15:51, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Martinez Refinery → Marathon Martinez Renewable Fuels – There are two refineries in Martinez. This article contained information about both of them and was very confusing. It has been cleaned up, but I recommend renaming this article "Marathon Martinez Renewable Fuels" and creating a new article named "Martinez Refining Company" for the other refinery. Both articles should have "not to be confused with" tags referencing the other article. This will help prevent any confusion moving forward. 205.155.148.225 (talk) 04:33, 23 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 15:15, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Global warming game → Climate change game – This article was created in 2007. 'Climate change' has since become a more common nomenclature, which replaced the use of 'global warming' several years ago. The article contains no sourcing suggesting that the term 'global warming game' has particular significance. Where the term 'video game' is used, Google Scholar yields 41 results for 'climate change game', and 6 for 'global warming game'. Some top-down studies that may help the notability of this article using this language are here: [24] [25] [26]. Ngrams shows searches for 'climate change game', but not for 'global warming game' [27]. This article has a lot of issues, but addressing them by focusing the article on more relevant and notable terminology is a good start. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 11:49, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Balltze → Cheems – Cheems is the WP:COMMONNAME of Balltze. It is also the name most predominantly used in the titles of reliable sources. Google trends shows that Cheems is a more common search term by far. The country with the highest ratio of Balltze searches compared to Cheems is Bosnia and Herzegovina, with 79% Cheems to 21% Balltze. If it helps, Know Your Meme uses Cheems as well (here). The owners also often referred to the dog as "Balltze Cheems" or "Cheems Balltze" (here and here}. I personally think this move is not controversial, but at the same time I would like a consensus to be reached before the page is moved. JacobTheRox (talk) 16:53, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Muslim period in the Indian subcontinent → Muslim rule in India – This article has a long history of undiscussed moves, so it gets about time to start an RM. "Period" is ambiguous because a Muslim period in one part of India was completely different from a Muslim period in another part of India. The point is Muslim rule, not Muslim period. Second, "the Indian subcontinent" is unnecessary verbose because India before 1947 was equal to the subcontinent. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:41, 8 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. ❯❯❯ Raydann(Talk) 16:06, 15 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 15:44, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Eruca vesicaria → Arugula – Articles for plant articles with a one to one correlation with a culinary product should always be at a common name, see WP:FLORATITLES. This article is currently in violation of wikipedia policy. I want to stress there is NO policy or precedent supporting the use of scientific name in this article, similar articles with ambiguos common names are at one of those names not at the scientific. The reason this article is not properly named is from people seeing the British/American fights in articles like Maize or Zucchini, the relevant policy WP:ENGVAR also support the title being at one of the names in question. I do not think people will get into a big fight about this move, people do not seem up in arms for the name Rocket. If in this move request people are actually upset and think the name should be Rocket(plant) or something, Please pick a fight in the comments below. I would rather this article be at rocket then in latin, I won't argue for why Arugula is better than rocket because I don't feel like it matters. I have not seen evidence that people will get into a fight about this, so it feels like a nonissue. There is a cabal of people on wikipedia who want every article to be at Latin name who I feel like take advantage of situations like this to push Latin name which is against policy, weirdly elitist and makes article naming inconstant because almost all common plants and animals are at a common name. If you really want the name rocket then you can put in a move request whether or not this move succeeds or fails Always beleive in hope (talk) 17:17, 18 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:10, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – List of Christian holy places in the Holy Land → List of Christian holy places in the Levant – This page currently defines itself in terms of a religiously conceptualized space rather than a clear geography and is moreover not very WP:PRECISE. It is very much stretching the limits of the definition of "Holy Land" – a space that is variously defined, but in its typical sense is considered the Israel/Palestine area between the Mediterranean Sea and Jordan River. The contents of the page range far further than this, reaching deep in Syria to the North, Jordan to the East and the Sinai to the South. All of the places align quite well however with the area ascribed to the Levant in the sense used in the 21st century (as a term bracketing the Westernmost portion of West Asia), so this term feels like both more appropriate and precise term for delineating the geography here. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:08, 15 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Edward-Woodrow • talk 14:24, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Bluesky Social → Bluesky – Almost all news articles about Bluesky, as well as Bluesky itself, don't seem to use the "Social", and simply use the WP:COMMONNAME "Bluesky". The existing Bluesky page is a redirect that hasn't been edited since 2007 so I don't think there would be any harm in moving this article to there; it would be possible to add a hatnote to this article pointing to the Blue Sky disambiguation page. Additionally, this article is clearly the primary topic for "Bluesky", as the only other two articles with that spelling- Bluesky, Alberta and Bluesky Formation- don't even come close in terms of pageviews. Chessrat (talk, contributions) 15:35, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Maasai religion → Maasai spirituality – The recent move to Maasai religion from Maasai spirituality was explained as being done to "correspond with the other Bantu religion pages". This is pretty simple: Maasai are not Bantu, they are Nilotes.123 Additionally, Maasai spiritual beliefs are better described as "spirituality" than "religion". This source refers to their beliefs as "spiritual": 2. This one distinguishes between Christianity as religion and Maasai indigenous spiritual beliefs 4. "Maasai spirituality" much better fits quality reliable sources on this subject. At the very least, the recent move should be reverted while it is under discussion for consensus. -- Pinchme123 (talk) 02:11, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. ^ Easterbrook-Smith, Gwyn (2020-07-30). ""Change can never be 'complete'": the legal right to self-identification and incongruous bodies". International Journal of Gender, Sexuality and Law. 1 (1). doi:10.19164/ijgsl.v1i1.976. ISSN 2056-3914.
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