Talk:Italian orthography

Writing systems Start‑class High‑importance

	Writing portal This article falls within the scope of WikiProject Writing systems, a WikiProject interested in improving the encyclopaedic coverage and content of articles relating to writing systems on Wikipedia. If you would like to help out, you are welcome to drop by the project page and/or leave a query at the project’s talk page.Writing systemsWikipedia:WikiProject Writing systemsTemplate:WikiProject Writing systemsWriting system articles
Start	This article has been rated as Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
High	This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

Italy Start‑class

	Italy portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Italy, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Italy on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ItalyWikipedia:WikiProject ItalyTemplate:WikiProject ItalyItaly articles
Start	This article has been rated as Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Switzerland Start‑class Low‑importance

	Switzerland portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Switzerland, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Switzerland on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SwitzerlandWikipedia:WikiProject SwitzerlandTemplate:WikiProject SwitzerlandSwitzerland articles
Start	This article has been rated as Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

European Microstates: Vatican City Start‑class

	Europe portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject European Microstates, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of European Microstates on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.European MicrostatesWikipedia:WikiProject European MicrostatesTemplate:WikiProject European MicrostatesEuropean Microstates articles
Start	This article has been rated as Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.
	Vatican City portal This article is supported by WikiProject Vatican City.

Christianity: Catholicism Start‑class

	Christianity portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Christianity, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Christianity on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ChristianityWikipedia:WikiProject ChristianityTemplate:WikiProject ChristianityChristianity articles
Start	This article has been rated as Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.
	Catholic Church portal This article is supported by WikiProject Catholicism.

The foreign letters

The letters J, K, W, X e Y are not part of the Italian alphabet, so why are they in the list?

Substitutes for foreign letters ??

May 5th, 2007

As a native speaker, I'm quite puzzled by the paragraph Substitutes for foreign letters. Said paragraph seems to suggest that foreign words, before being used in Italian texts, undergo a transformation whereby [for example] the spelling of 'whisky' should turn into something like 'uhischi'. I'm not aware of anything like that; I'm indeed quite used to seeing words imported in their original spelling: whisky, jet, ketchup, etc. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the intent behind the paragraph? Rgiuntoli

Such unchanged loanwords are probably not regarded as Italian, but rather as foreign. FilipeS 18:10, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Phonemes R and RR

Someone asked a question in the main article:

<R> may represent one of two rhotics, an alveolar flap / ɾ/ or an alveolar trill /r/ -- is this one or two phonemes?

I believe they are two phonemes. FilipeS 18:09, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

C

How do the Italians pronounce the name for the letter C? The article says it's "Ci," but is that by the English or Italian pronunciation? In other words, is it "See" or "Chee"? My books on Italian aren't particularly clear on this either.J.J. Bustamante 16:40, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

it's like "chee". see sounds in italia like "si" - (T.F.S.,from italy) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.48.143.218 (talk) 01:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Letter J's name

Sorry for reverting again, but the only name for letter J in Italian alphabet is i lunga (at most i lungo, in case you consider these names as masculine), not "jay" or "gei". The English word jay, though popular, is still not accepted by dictionaries as a loan word. Even the most flexible Italian linguist, Tullio De Mauro, makes no mention of it. Compare [1]. Best regards, --Erinaceus Italicus (talk) 19:03, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The only name? I know five: i lunga, i lungo, iod, iota (each of them recognized by Hoepli) plus jay. While jay is not accepted by dictionaries, I believe it's still worth mentioning since everyone uses it. Lupo Azzurro (talk) 11:27, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I do not use it, for it is a useless loanword. In any case, standard Italian is not determined by the popular usage but by a well-educated one (ask the Accademia della Crusca). Finally, please avoid specious arguments: i lunga and i lungo are the same name (though it has two genders), while iod and iota, according to Hoepli[2][3], do not refer to letter j, but to Hebrew letter yodh, Greek iota and the sound /j/. --Erinaceus (talk) 20:03, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, remember that "i lungo" DOES NOT EXIST 'cause in all the Neolatin languages, unlike Greek, letters are always feminine.

Picture of Dante

It doesn't seem appropriate to have the picture of Dante in the box on the top right. Does this follow any type of standard? If contributor wants to include Dante, perhaps he can create a section on some of the greatest Italian writers pulled from the Italian writers page. Mjpl (talk) 19:04, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestiongs for improvements

Some spellings are missing from the list: gn, gli, diphthongs, triphthongs, doubled consonants, pronunciation of the trilled r and of sc as the English sh.

Explanations of the pronuciation of these spellings would help English speakers who are learning Italian.

A more complete list of Italian spellings is available here: http://www.ipasource.com/extras/diction/Italian%20Charts.pdf
Cwkmail (talk) 18:50, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]