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{{short description|Ability to act or change without constraint}}
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[[File:OURS TO FIGHT FOR. 4 FREEDOMS ON ONE SHEET - NARA - 513635.jpg|thumb|right|''[[Four Freedoms (Norman Rockwell)|Four Freedoms]]'', a series of 1943 paintings by [[Norman Rockwell]] honoring [[Franklin D. Roosevelt]]'s [[Four Freedoms]], meant to describe the freedoms for which allied nations fought in World War II.]]
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'''Freedom''' is the right to act , speak or think as one wants without restraint.<ref>{{Cite journal |date=2010-01-01 |editor-last=Stevenson |editor-first=Angus |editor2-last=Lindberg |editor2-first=Christine A. |title=New Oxford American Dictionary |url=http://dx.doi.org/10.1093/acref/9780195392883.001.0001 |doi=10.1093/acref/9780195392883.001.0001}}</ref>Freedom is often associated with [[liberty]]<ref>{{Cite journal |date=2010-01-01 |editor-last=Stevenson |editor-first=Angus |editor2-last=Lindberg |editor2-first=Christine A. |title=New Oxford American Dictionary |url=http://dx.doi.org/10.1093/acref/9780195392883.001.0001 |doi=10.1093/acref/9780195392883.001.0001}}</ref> and [[autonomy]] in the sense of "giving oneself one's own laws", and with having [[rights]] and the [[civil liberties]] with which to exercise them without undue interference by the state. Frequently discussed kinds of political freedom include [[freedom of assembly]], [[freedom of association]], [[freedom of choice]], and [[freedom of speech]].
'''Freedom''' is the power or right to speak, act and change as one wants without hindrance or restraint. Freedom is often associated with [[liberty]] and [[autonomy]] in the sense of "giving oneself one's own laws".<ref>{{Cite journal |date=2010-01-01 |editor-last=Stevenson |editor-first=Angus |editor2-last=Lindberg |editor2-first=Christine A. |title=New Oxford American Dictionary |url=http://dx.doi.org/10.1093/acref/9780195392883.001.0001 |website=Oxford Reference |doi=10.1093/acref/9780195392883.001.0001 |isbn=978-0-19-539288-3 |access-date=2023-06-02 |archive-date=2020-03-12 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200312102208/https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/acref/9780195392883.001.0001/acref-9780195392883 |url-status=live }}{{Clarify|date=October 2023}}</ref>


In one definition, something is "free" if it can change easily and is not constrained in its present state (physicists and chemists may use the word in this sense).<ref>
In one definition, something is "free" if it can change and is not constrained in its present state. Physicists and chemists use the word in this sense.<ref name="auto">
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</ref> [[Philosophy]] and [[religion]] sometimes associate freedom with [[free will]], without undue or unjust constraints on that will, such as [[slavery|enslavement]]. It is an idea closely tied with the concept of [[negative liberty]].


[[Philosophy]] and [[religion]] sometimes associate freedom with [[free will]], as distinct from [[predestination]].<ref>Baumeister, Roy F.; Monroe, Andrew E. (2014). "Recent Research on Free Will". ''Advances in Experimental Social Psychology''. Vol. 50. pp. 1–52. {{doi|10.1016/B978-0-12-800284-1.00001-1}}. {{ISBN|978-0128002841}}.</ref>
[[Charles Taylor (philosopher) | Charles Taylor]] resolves one of the issues{{which?|date=February 2023}} that separate "positive" and "negative" theories of freedom, as these were initially distinguished in [[Isaiah Berlin]]'s seminal 1958 lecture, [[Two Concepts of Liberty | "Two concepts of liberty"]]. Taylor sees it as undeniable that there are two such families of conceptions of political freedom. Negative liberty is a concept that is often used in [[political philosophy]]. It is the idea that freedom means an ability to do what one wants, without external obstacles. This concept has been called too simplistic for discounting the importance of individual self-realization.{{cn|date=February 2023}} [[Positive liberty]] is the ability to fulfill one's purposes.<ref>
{{cite book
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|date = 28 March 1985
|chapter = What's Wrong With Negative Liberty
|title = Philosophical Papers: Volume 2, Philosophy and the Human Sciences
|pages = 211–29
|url = https://books.google.com/books?id=O5-azgEACAAJ
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</ref><ref>Berlin, Isaiah. ''Four Essays on Liberty''. 1969.</ref>


In modern [[Liberalism|liberal]] nations, freedom is considered a right, especially [[freedom of speech]], [[freedom of religion]], and [[freedom of the press]].
In its origin, the [[English language | English]] word "freedom" relates etymologically to the word "friend".<ref>

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Many contemporary philosophers like [[Charles Taylor (philosopher)|Charles Taylor]] and [[Isaiah Berlin]] make a distinction between "positive freedom" and "negative freedom".
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==Types==
==Types==
[[File:OURS TO FIGHT FOR. 4 FREEDOMS ON ONE SHEET - NARA - 513635.jpg|thumb|right|''[[Four Freedoms (Norman Rockwell)|Four Freedoms]]'', a series of 1943 paintings by [[Norman Rockwell]] honoring [[Franklin D. Roosevelt]]'s [[Four Freedoms]], meant to describe the freedoms for which allied nations fought in World War II.]]
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{{Main|Academic freedom|Artistic freedom|Intellectual freedom|Scientific freedom|Economic freedom|Freedom of religion|Political freedom|Civil liberties|Liberty}}
In political discourse, [[political freedom]] is often associated with [[liberty]] and [[autonomy]] in the sense of "giving oneself their own laws", and with having [[rights]] and the [[civil liberties]] with which to exercise them without undue interference by the state. Frequently discussed kinds of political freedom include [[freedom of assembly]], [[freedom of association]], [[freedom of choice]], and [[freedom of speech]].


In political discourse, [[political freedom]] is often associated with [[liberty]] and [[autonomy]], and a distinction is made between countries that are free and [[dictatorships]]. In the area of [[civil rights]], a strong distinction is made between freedom and [[slavery]] and there is conflict between people who think all races, religions, genders, and social classes should be equally free and people who think freedom is the exclusive right of certain groups. Frequently discussed are [[freedom of assembly]], [[freedom of association]], [[freedom of choice]], and [[freedom of speech]].
In some occasions, particularly when discussion is limited to political freedoms, the terms "freedom" and "liberty" tend to be used interchangeably.<ref>''See'' Bertrand Badie, Dirk Berg-Schlosser, Leonardo Morlino, ''International Encyclopedia of Political Science'' (2011), p. 1447: "Throughout this entry, incidentally, the terms freedom and liberty are used interchangeably".</ref><ref name="Wierzbicka">Anna Wierzbicka, ''Understanding Cultures Through Their Key Words'' (1997), p. 130-31: "Unfortunately... the English words freedom and [[liberty]] are used interchangeably. This is confusing because these two do not mean the same, and in fact what [Isaiah] Berlin calls "the notion of 'negative' freedom" has become largely incorporated in the word ''freedom'', whereas the word ''liberty'' in its earlier meaning was much closer to the Latin libertas and in its current meaning reflects a different concept, which is a product of the Anglo-Saxon culture".</ref> Elsewhere, subtle distinctions between freedom and liberty are noted.<ref>Wendy Hui Kyong Chun, ''Control and Freedom: Power and Paranoia in the Age of Fiber Optics'' (2008), p. 9: "Although used interchangeably, freedom and liberty have significantly different etymologies and histories. According to the ''Oxford English Dictionary'', the Old English ''frei'' (derived from Sanskrit) meant dear and described all those close or related to the head of the family (hence friends). Conversely in Latin, ''libertas'' denoted the legal state of freedom versus enslavement and was later extended to children (''liberi''), meaning literally the free members of the household. Those who are one's friends are free; those who are not are slaves".</ref> [[John Stuart Mill]] differentiated liberty from freedom in that freedom is primarily, if not exclusively, the ability to do as one wills and what one has the power to do, whereas liberty concerns the absence of arbitrary restraints and takes into account the rights of all involved. As such, the exercise of liberty is subject to capability and limited by the rights of others.<ref name="mill1">{{Cite web |title=I. Introductory. Mill, John Stuart. 1869. On Liberty |url=https://www.bartleby.com/130/1.html |access-date=2022-11-14 |website=www.bartleby.com|date=21 September 2022 }}</ref>{{Failed verification|date=October 2022}}


Sometimes the terms "freedom" and "liberty" tend to be used interchangeably.<ref>''See'' Bertrand Badie, Dirk Berg-Schlosser, Leonardo Morlino, ''International Encyclopedia of Political Science'' (2011), p. 1447: "Throughout this entry, incidentally, the terms freedom and liberty are used interchangeably".</ref><ref name="Wierzbicka">Anna Wierzbicka, ''Understanding Cultures Through Their Key Words'' (1997), pp. 130–131: "Unfortunately... the English words freedom and [[liberty]] are used interchangeably. This is confusing because these two do not mean the same, and in fact what [Isaiah] Berlin calls "the notion of 'negative' freedom" has become largely incorporated in the word ''freedom'', whereas the word ''liberty'' in its earlier meaning was much closer to the Latin libertas and in its current meaning reflects a different concept, which is a product of the Anglo-Saxon culture".</ref> Sometimes subtle distinctions are made between "freedom" and "liberty"<ref>Wendy Hui Kyong Chun, ''Control and Freedom: Power and Paranoia in the Age of Fiber Optics'' (2008), p. 9: "Although used interchangeably, freedom and liberty have significantly different etymologies and histories. According to the ''Oxford English Dictionary'', the Old English ''frei'' (derived from Sanskrit) meant dear and described all those close or related to the head of the family (hence friends). Conversely in Latin, ''libertas'' denoted the legal state of freedom versus enslavement and was later extended to children (''liberi''), meaning literally the free members of the household. Those who are one's friends are free; those who are not are slaves".</ref> [[John Stuart Mill]], for example, differentiated liberty from freedom in that freedom is primarily, if not exclusively, the ability to do as one wills and what one has the power to do, whereas liberty concerns the absence of arbitrary restraints and takes into account the rights of all involved. As such, the exercise of liberty is subject to capability and limited by the rights of others.<ref>Mill, John Stuart. [1859] 1869. ''[[On Liberty]]'' (4th ed.). London: Longmans, Green, Reader, and Dyer. pp. 21–22 Archived 17 November 2022 at the Wayback Machine.</ref>
Wendy Hui Kyong Chun explains the differences in terms of their relation to institutions:

[[Isaiah Berlin]] made a distinction between "positive" freedom and "negative" freedom in his seminal 1958 lecture [[Two Concepts of Liberty|"Two concepts of liberty"]]. [[Charles Taylor (philosopher)|Charles Taylor]] elaborates on this idea, claiming that it is undeniable that there are two such kinds of freedom. Negative liberty means an ability to do what one wants, without external obstacles; [[positive liberty]] is the ability to fulfill one's purposes.<ref>{{cite book
|last1 = Taylor
|first1 = Charles
|author-link1 = Charles Taylor (philosopher)
|date = 1985
|chapter = What's Wrong With Negative Liberty
|title = Philosophical Papers: Volume 2, Philosophy and the Human Sciences
|pages = 211–229
|url = https://books.google.com/books?id=O5-azgEACAAJ
|publication-place = Cambridge
|publisher = Cambridge University Press
|isbn = 978-0521317498
|access-date = 28 February 2023
|archive-date = 28 February 2023
|archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20230228035534/https://books.google.com/books?id=O5-azgEACAAJ
|url-status = live
}}</ref><ref>Berlin, Isaiah. ''Four Essays on Liberty''. 1969.</ref>

Wendy Hui Kyong Chun explains these differences in terms of their relation to institutions:


{{quote|"Liberty is linked to human subjectivity; freedom is not. The Declaration of Independence, for example, describes men as having liberty and the nation as being free. Free will—''the quality of being free from the control of fate or necessity''—may first have been attributed to human will, but [[Newtonian physics]] attributes freedom—[[degrees of freedom]], [[free bodies]]—to objects."<ref name="Chun">Wendy Hui Kyong Chun, ''Control and Freedom: Power and Paranoia in the Age of Fiber Optics'' (2008), p. 9.</ref>}}
{{quote|"Liberty is linked to human subjectivity; freedom is not. The Declaration of Independence, for example, describes men as having liberty and the nation as being free. Free will—''the quality of being free from the control of fate or necessity''—may first have been attributed to human will, but [[Newtonian physics]] attributes freedom—[[degrees of freedom]], [[free bodies]]—to objects."<ref name="Chun">Wendy Hui Kyong Chun, ''Control and Freedom: Power and Paranoia in the Age of Fiber Optics'' (2008), p. 9.</ref>}}
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{{quote|"Freedom differs from liberty as control differs from discipline. Liberty, like discipline, is linked to institutions and political parties, whether liberal or libertarian; freedom is not. Although freedom can work for or against institutions, it is not bound to them—it travels through unofficial networks. To have liberty is to be liberated from something; to be free is to be self-determining, autonomous. Freedom can or cannot exist within a state of liberty: one can be liberated yet ''unfree,'' or ''free'' yet enslaved (Orlando Patterson has argued in ''Freedom: Freedom in the Making of Western Culture'' that freedom arose from the yearnings of slaves)."<ref name="Chun"/>}}
{{quote|"Freedom differs from liberty as control differs from discipline. Liberty, like discipline, is linked to institutions and political parties, whether liberal or libertarian; freedom is not. Although freedom can work for or against institutions, it is not bound to them—it travels through unofficial networks. To have liberty is to be liberated from something; to be free is to be self-determining, autonomous. Freedom can or cannot exist within a state of liberty: one can be liberated yet ''unfree,'' or ''free'' yet enslaved (Orlando Patterson has argued in ''Freedom: Freedom in the Making of Western Culture'' that freedom arose from the yearnings of slaves)."<ref name="Chun"/>}}


Another distinction that some political theorists have deemed important is that people may aspire to have freedom ''from'' limiting forces (such as [[freedom from fear]], [[freedom from want]], and [[freedom from discrimination]]), but descriptions of freedom and liberty generally do not invoke having liberty ''from'' anything.<ref name="Wierzbicka"/> To the contrary, the concept of [[negative liberty]] refers to the liberty one person may have to restrict the rights of others.<ref name="Wierzbicka"/>
Another distinction that some political theorists have deemed important is that people may aspire to have freedom ''from'' limiting forces (such as [[freedom from fear]], [[freedom from want]], and [[freedom from discrimination]]), but descriptions of freedom and liberty generally do not invoke having liberty ''from'' anything.<ref name="Wierzbicka"/> This is the concept of [[negative liberty]].<ref name="Wierzbicka"/>


Other important fields in which freedom is an issue include [[economic freedom]], [[academic freedom]], [[intellectual freedom]], [[scientific freedom]] and [[political freedom]].
Other important fields in which freedom is an issue include [[economic freedom]], [[academic freedom]], [[intellectual freedom]], [[scientific freedom]], and [[political freedom]].

In its origin, the [[English language|English]] word "freedom" relates etymologically to the word "friend".<ref name="auto"/>


==See also==
==See also==
{{Portal|Anarchism|Liberalism|Libertarianism}}
* [[Civil and political rights]]
* [[Internet freedom]]
* [[Internet freedom]]
* [[Freedom Riders]] - civil-rights activists
* [[Freedom of thought]]
* [[Freedom Riders]] civil-rights activists
* [[Freethought]]
* [[Freethought]]
* [[Harm principle]]
* [[Personal freedom]]
* [[Personal freedom]]
* [[Refusal of work]]
* ''[[Statue of Freedom]]'', an 1863 sculpture by [[Thomas Crawford (sculptor) |Thomas Crawford]] atop the dome of the US Capitol
* ''[[Statue of Freedom]]'', an 1863 sculpture by [[Thomas Crawford (sculptor)|Thomas Crawford]] atop the dome of the US Capitol
* [[Statue of Liberty]] (''Liberty Enlightening the World''), 1886 statue by [[Frédéric Auguste Bartholdi]] in New York City
* [[Statue of Liberty]] (''Liberty Enlightening the World''), 1886 statue by [[Frédéric Auguste Bartholdi]] in New York City
* ''[[Goddess of Liberty (Texas State Capitol)| Goddess of Liberty]]'', an 1888 statue by [[Elijah E. Myers]] atop the [[Texas State Capitol]] dome, in [[Austin, Texas]]
* '' [[Goddess of Liberty (Texas State Capitol)|Goddess of Liberty]]'', an 1888 statue by [[Elijah E. Myers]] atop the [[Texas State Capitol]] dome, in [[Austin, Texas]]
*''[[Miss Freedom]]'', 1889 statue on the dome of the Georgia State Capitol (US)
* ''[[Miss Freedom]]'', 1889 statue on the dome of the Georgia State Capitol (US)
* [[Freedom (Tibor)| ''Freedom'']], 1985 statue by [[Alfred Tibor]] in Columbus, Ohio
* [[Freedom (Tibor)|''Freedom'']], 1985 statue by [[Alfred Tibor]] in Columbus, Ohio
* [[Freedom songs]]
* [[Freedom songs]]
*''[[Freedom & Civilization]]'', 1944 book by Bronislaw Malinowski about freedom from anthropological perspective
* ''[[Freedom & Civilization]]'', 1944 book by Bronislaw Malinowski about freedom from anthropological perspective


==References==
==References==
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==External links==
==External links==
* [http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00548hh "Freedom"], BBC Radio 4 discussion with John Keane, Bernard Williams & Annabel Brett (''In Our Time'', 4 July 2002)

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* [http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00548hh "Freedom"], BBC Radio 4 discussion with John Keane, Bernard Williams & Annabel Brett (''In Our Time'', 4 July 2002)

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Four Freedoms, a series of 1943 paintings by Norman Rockwell honoring Franklin D. Roosevelt's Four Freedoms, meant to describe the freedoms for which allied nations fought in World War II.

Freedom is the power or right to speak, act and change as one wants without hindrance or restraint. Freedom is often associated with liberty and autonomy in the sense of "giving oneself one's own laws".[1]

In one definition, something is "free" if it can change and is not constrained in its present state. Physicists and chemists use the word in this sense.[2]

Philosophy and religion sometimes associate freedom with free will, as distinct from predestination.[3]

In modern liberal nations, freedom is considered a right, especially freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and freedom of the press.

Many contemporary philosophers like Charles Taylor and Isaiah Berlin make a distinction between "positive freedom" and "negative freedom".

Types[edit]

In political discourse, political freedom is often associated with liberty and autonomy, and a distinction is made between countries that are free and dictatorships. In the area of civil rights, a strong distinction is made between freedom and slavery and there is conflict between people who think all races, religions, genders, and social classes should be equally free and people who think freedom is the exclusive right of certain groups. Frequently discussed are freedom of assembly, freedom of association, freedom of choice, and freedom of speech.

Sometimes the terms "freedom" and "liberty" tend to be used interchangeably.[4][5] Sometimes subtle distinctions are made between "freedom" and "liberty"[6] John Stuart Mill, for example, differentiated liberty from freedom in that freedom is primarily, if not exclusively, the ability to do as one wills and what one has the power to do, whereas liberty concerns the absence of arbitrary restraints and takes into account the rights of all involved. As such, the exercise of liberty is subject to capability and limited by the rights of others.[7]

Isaiah Berlin made a distinction between "positive" freedom and "negative" freedom in his seminal 1958 lecture "Two concepts of liberty". Charles Taylor elaborates on this idea, claiming that it is undeniable that there are two such kinds of freedom. Negative liberty means an ability to do what one wants, without external obstacles; positive liberty is the ability to fulfill one's purposes.[8][9]

Wendy Hui Kyong Chun explains these differences in terms of their relation to institutions:

"Liberty is linked to human subjectivity; freedom is not. The Declaration of Independence, for example, describes men as having liberty and the nation as being free. Free will—the quality of being free from the control of fate or necessity—may first have been attributed to human will, but Newtonian physics attributes freedom—degrees of freedom, free bodies—to objects."[10]

"Freedom differs from liberty as control differs from discipline. Liberty, like discipline, is linked to institutions and political parties, whether liberal or libertarian; freedom is not. Although freedom can work for or against institutions, it is not bound to them—it travels through unofficial networks. To have liberty is to be liberated from something; to be free is to be self-determining, autonomous. Freedom can or cannot exist within a state of liberty: one can be liberated yet unfree, or free yet enslaved (Orlando Patterson has argued in Freedom: Freedom in the Making of Western Culture that freedom arose from the yearnings of slaves)."[10]

Another distinction that some political theorists have deemed important is that people may aspire to have freedom from limiting forces (such as freedom from fear, freedom from want, and freedom from discrimination), but descriptions of freedom and liberty generally do not invoke having liberty from anything.[5] This is the concept of negative liberty.[5]

Other important fields in which freedom is an issue include economic freedom, academic freedom, intellectual freedom, scientific freedom, and political freedom.

In its origin, the English word "freedom" relates etymologically to the word "friend".[2]

See also[edit]

References[edit]

  1. ^ Stevenson, Angus; Lindberg, Christine A., eds. (2010-01-01). "New Oxford American Dictionary". Oxford Reference. doi:10.1093/acref/9780195392883.001.0001. ISBN 978-0-19-539288-3. Archived from the original on 2020-03-12. Retrieved 2023-06-02.[clarification needed]
  2. ^ a b "free". Oxford English Dictionary (Online ed.). Oxford University Press. (Subscription or participating institution membership required.)
  3. ^ Baumeister, Roy F.; Monroe, Andrew E. (2014). "Recent Research on Free Will". Advances in Experimental Social Psychology. Vol. 50. pp. 1–52. doi:10.1016/B978-0-12-800284-1.00001-1. ISBN 978-0128002841.
  4. ^ See Bertrand Badie, Dirk Berg-Schlosser, Leonardo Morlino, International Encyclopedia of Political Science (2011), p. 1447: "Throughout this entry, incidentally, the terms freedom and liberty are used interchangeably".
  5. ^ a b c Anna Wierzbicka, Understanding Cultures Through Their Key Words (1997), pp. 130–131: "Unfortunately... the English words freedom and liberty are used interchangeably. This is confusing because these two do not mean the same, and in fact what [Isaiah] Berlin calls "the notion of 'negative' freedom" has become largely incorporated in the word freedom, whereas the word liberty in its earlier meaning was much closer to the Latin libertas and in its current meaning reflects a different concept, which is a product of the Anglo-Saxon culture".
  6. ^ Wendy Hui Kyong Chun, Control and Freedom: Power and Paranoia in the Age of Fiber Optics (2008), p. 9: "Although used interchangeably, freedom and liberty have significantly different etymologies and histories. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the Old English frei (derived from Sanskrit) meant dear and described all those close or related to the head of the family (hence friends). Conversely in Latin, libertas denoted the legal state of freedom versus enslavement and was later extended to children (liberi), meaning literally the free members of the household. Those who are one's friends are free; those who are not are slaves".
  7. ^ Mill, John Stuart. [1859] 1869. On Liberty (4th ed.). London: Longmans, Green, Reader, and Dyer. pp. 21–22 Archived 17 November 2022 at the Wayback Machine.
  8. ^ Taylor, Charles (1985). "What's Wrong With Negative Liberty". Philosophical Papers: Volume 2, Philosophy and the Human Sciences. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. pp. 211–229. ISBN 978-0521317498. Archived from the original on 28 February 2023. Retrieved 28 February 2023.
  9. ^ Berlin, Isaiah. Four Essays on Liberty. 1969.
  10. ^ a b Wendy Hui Kyong Chun, Control and Freedom: Power and Paranoia in the Age of Fiber Optics (2008), p. 9.

External links[edit]

  • "Freedom", BBC Radio 4 discussion with John Keane, Bernard Williams & Annabel Brett (In Our Time, 4 July 2002)