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January 9

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staple_food I want to change the chart in the Staple Food article. Saint Vincent and the Grenadines is not the world leading producer of maize, its the United States of America, everybody knows that! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ktb1300 (talk • contribs) 00:42, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

@Ktb1300: Your attempted edit [1] used the source [2] which says "We calculated the trend yields for key countries and regions", and lists 158.2 bushels per acre for USA in 2012. [3] says "1 bushel/acre = .0628 (.06) metric tons/hectare". That gives 9.93 tons/hectare for USA. The table at Staple food#Demographic profile of staple foods is sourced (I checked the source) and says 25.9 tons/hectare for Saint Vincent and the Grenadines. The most productive country per area will often be a small country where the whole used area has good conditions. The total production of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines is far too small to be included in the key countries of the World in your source. Your edit was reverted and should not be redone but the cite error was to write /ref> instead of </ref>. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:54, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

The table is misleading. The column is titled "World's most productive countries". A reasonable person would take "productive" to refer to production, as Ktb1300 has done, rather than to production per hectare. Maproom (talk) 10:23, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

And if one adds an explanation 'most productive by the production per hectare' then it would cause even more ambiguity: is it a unit area of the whole country, a unit area utilized in agriculture or specifically a unit area of the maize fields... --CiaPan (talk) 10:53, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Format of titles on a Talk Page

Is there any rule, policy, or standard regarding the format of a title of a Talk Page? I have always assumed that it is supposed to mirror the actual article title, with the word "Talk:" preceding it. So, for example, see this Talk Page: Talk:List of The King of Queens episodes. Are the words "The King of Queens" supposed to be italicized or no? I am referring to the Talk Page, not the actual article page. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 01:26, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes, we have a manual of style. the particulars are Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Titles. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 02:03, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

The content guidelines like Wikipedia:Manual of Style are only for articles (which are meant for readers) and not talk pages (which are meant for editors). I think it's relatively rare that somebody bothers to italicize a talk page title but I don't think anyone would mind. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:04, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. That is exactly why I have come to this Help Desk. (1) I always italicize the relevant words on a Talk Page title. In part, due to my assumption mentioned above. (2) Someone actually does mind, and keeps reverting me. Needless to say, I am quite surprised that this editor is so "upset" and adamant about it. So, what should be done, in such a case? Thanks. This is the Talk Page: Talk:Charlie Hebdo shooting. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 02:21, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

I don't really see the point in spending time discussing italics in a talk page title so if somebody reverts you then I suggest to be the bigger person and just let them "win" a pointless victory. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:47, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, but I don't actually consider it to be "pointless" (nor a "victory"). If things are worth doing, they are worth doing right. Why specifically encourage errors? Names of TV shows and names of newspapers are italicized. Regardless of whether it appears in an article or on a Talk Page. Correct is correct. Not sure why someone being adamant about his whim – with no valid reason whatsoever – should "trump" accuracy. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 05:16, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

If you have bothered to format content in your posts in a particular way, no other editor should be monkeying with them; likewise, you should not be "fixing" other people's posts. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 05:21, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Not sure that you are clear on the issue at hand. I am not referring to me editing another editor's post, nor him editing mine. I am referring to the title of the Talk Page. Specifically, here: Talk:Charlie Hebdo shooting. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 05:26, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

If I'm understanding what you are saying is that for the article whose title is displayed as Charlie Hebdo shooting , the dispute is between having the talk page displayed as

• Talk:Charlie Hebdo shooting or
• Talk:Charlie Hebdo shooting

I don't think there guidance to that at the Manual of Style on that as it says it can affect titles (I'll have to remember that the next time someone complains about something in text of a Category). the information in Template:DISPLAYTITLE clearly has examples from other namespaces, but nothing from a talk page.Naraht (talk) 05:41, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Your understanding is correct: Talk:Charlie Hebdo shooting versus Talk:Charlie Hebdo shooting. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 06:22, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm here to make an encyclopedia for our readers. I don't consider it an error needing a fix if a page for editors doesn't follow a guideline for content aimed at readers. If italicized talk page titles improved editor communication then it might be different but I don't think it does. I actually have a slight preference against italicizing them but wouldn't make an edit or suggestion to change it. I am however annoyed by reading database reports and tool outputs with underscores instead of spaces such as Wikipedia:Database reports/Articles containing links to the user space. It hinders efficient reading and comprehension for me and I may tell the bot operator. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:15, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

I have posted to User talk:BernsteinBot#Underscores in database reports. But if you ask the bot to check the article for displaytitle and add corresponding italics markup to database reports then I will object. It would just create unnecessary confusion. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:37, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

There are places outside mainspace where Publications are italicized in titles. For example: Category:The New York Times writers, but OTOH Talk:Category:The New York Times writers. I'm not even sure where to discuss this from a style standpoint other than here...Naraht (talk) 12:39, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Perhaps WP:VPP, although I'm fairly confident most experienced people would call this a non-issue. Strictly speaking, Help desk should have answered the OP's opening question with a "no" and directed the discussion elsewhere. ‑‑Mandruss ☎ 13:07, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

How is that helpful? Direct the discussion where exactly? Let me know and I will post it "there"? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:16, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

My suggestion was WP:VPP (Village Pump (policy)), but based on the instructions at the top of that page I'm not entirely sure that's the best place. Use your best judgment, and the worst that can happen is someone at A will direct you to B, where someone will direct you to A, resulting in the dreaded Information Purgatory. All I'm somewhat sure of is that Help desk isn't the best place to debate these things. ‑‑Mandruss ☎ 17:35, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I have posted at the following page, per your suggestion: Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Format of titles on a Talk Page. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:54, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

I rather suspect the issue might run into WP:NOBODYCARES as it has no effect on reader experience of WP. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:01, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Whether or not anyone else cares, I care. And it's a valid question that merits an answer. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:33, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Improve this Page

Respected Sir/Madam Please improve my article named "Rajiv Tomer". I would very thankful to improve this wrestler biography — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sheetalsoni (talk • contribs) 01:49, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

I made some minor changes to get the tmeplate to display correctly. However, I would recommend removing the items like "7th position" as (perhaps) those templates only support gold,silver,bronze finishes for competitions. Lastly, it is odd that the subjects name is spelled Tomer given that every google search seems to show his named spelled Tomar. —Noah (talk) 05:23, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Archive help

I noticed the auto archive is not working at Wikipedia talk:POV railroad. That is probably because there is no |auto=yes option. The problem is there is a Wikipedia talk:POV railroad/Archive 3 (because the counter is on 3), but there are no archives 1 or 2. Can someone with technical knowledge move the contents of archive 3 to a new Wikipedia talk:POV railroad/Archive 1 and reset the counter? I'm not sure how to do it without creating a bigger problem. Thanks. Ignocrates (talk) 02:39, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Fixed. A clean solution required a move without leaving a redirect. As an administrator I can do that. There were no links to Wikipedia talk:POV railroad/Archive 3 so it hasn't created any broken links. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:02, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Looks good. Thanks for taking care of it. Ignocrates (talk) 13:48, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

My changes are being undone

I am trying to update my sons page - he is a professional sportsman but it keeps being changed back to an earlier version. What can I do to ensure my additions stay on the page.– — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.111.74.82 (talk) 09:34, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello. You've posted here without being logged in, but I'm guessing that you are Raffs fan. Your edits to Andy Rafferty were reverted because they were unreferenced. As a general rule, every single piece of information in a Wikipedia article must be referenced to a published reliable source. (There are unfortunately many articles which do not meet this condition, but new edits tend to be checked more carefully, especially if the article relates to a living person). Information that has not been published should never appear in a Wikipedia article. If you can find a published reference for the information, it can be added; but because of your conflict of interest as his father, it would be better if you made a suggestion on the article's talk page Talk:Andy Rafferty and left it for an uninvolved editor to make the change. --ColinFine (talk) 09:52, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

The Backyardigans

There's a few sections in this that are completely inappropriate. Especially the section regarding one of the characters, "Uniqua". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.171.71.139 (talk) 15:18, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

I have deleted an obscenity from the "Uniqua" section. What else is inappropriate? Maproom (talk) 15:48, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Croat historical bias and inaccuracies

I'm appalled by the bias in the articles on the former Yugoslavia. Croation revisionism (23 editor) of history is pervasive in the articles I've read on the Ustashe, WW11 concentration camps, Operation storm, Croat war criminals , etc. It does significantly diminish the credibilty of your enterprise. It appears that any correction of information is re-edited to reflect an nationalist extremist croat perspective, which does not reflect well on value of Wikipedia as a source of accurate information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.114.7.4 (talk) 16:37, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Ustaše starts:

The Ustaše were members of the Ustaša – Croatian Revolutionary Movement, a Croatian fascist and terrorist organization active, in its original form, between 1929 and 1945. Its members murdered hundreds of thousands of Serbs, Jews, and Roma during World War II in Yugoslavia.

I don't see how that "reflect an nationalist extremist croat perspective". PrimeHunter (talk) 16:56, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Sadly there are a lot of contributors with Balkan connections who seem to treat Wikipedia as a platform for ethnic propagandising - it certainly isn't confined to Croats alone. To an extent, it is inevitable that such articles are going to attract such contributors, and there isn't a great deal that can be done beyond trying to ensure that specific problems are dealt with according to Wikipedia policy - in particular, by ensuring that articles are properly sourced. Neutrality is never easy to achieve, and with historically-contentious topics probably seen as something to aim for, rather than something we can ever claim to have achieved. What we clearly need are more contributors with knowledge of the topic area who's motivations aren't driven by petty nationalistic concerns, but frankly it isn't an area that many of us want to get involved in given the relentless behaviour of the POV-pushers. As for the articles you mention, I suggest that you raise your specific concerns on the relevant talk pages, ensuring to provide sources as necessary, and if the matter can't be resolved there, consider the options laid out at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:13, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Page deletion ??

Hi, last week there we some pages that I looked at but they are not there any more, is it possible for pages of articles to be removed, hidden or deleted ?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.158.25.195 (talk) 17:55, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes - see Wikipedia:Deletion policy. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:57, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Proper Name Spelling

For historical figures, especially—but not only—monarchs, princes, etc., what is the proper spelling to be used in editing?

Example: Napoleon's second wife was "Maria Luisa" of Austria, which is the way her name usually appears in German texts. In French sources, she is "Marie Luise." Louis XIV's wife was "Maria Terésa" of Spain but in French writing she is "Marie Thérèse." In English, the diacriticals are often omitted. When should they be included in editing?

This question comes up frequently in the names of German or Austrian females who are historically noteworthy. In northern Germany, one more often finds "Marie" or "Christine" or "Eleonore" rather than "Maria" or C[h]ristina" or "Eleonora"—many more such pairings could be cited—which are usual in southern Germany and Austria; and vice versa. I suspect the difference may have something to do with the close connection between the Spanish and Austrian Hapsburg dynasties, so that the Austrian spellings reflect Romance-language naming conventions.

Does Wikipedia have a proper-name style sheet?

Anadessma (talk) 20:33, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(people) and Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(royalty_and_nobility) will cover some of that. But the general rule would be to use the most common name used in English, but to provide redirects for any other common versions. So the article is Maria Theresa of Spain, but there are redirects at Marie-Thérèse d’Autriche, Queen Marie Thérèse and Maria Theresa of Spain, Queen of France. Rwessel (talk) 21:03, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

E-mail help

Dear editors: I have received an odd message, possibly through the Wikipedia e-mail system. I visited WP:E-mail, which says to contact an administrator in a situation like this, so I contacted myself and, frankly, I came away no wiser. Can someone suggest which admin or other knowledgeable editor I should ask about this? —Anne Delong (talk) 21:53, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

What exactly is the message? What does it say? Robert McClenon (talk) 22:14, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Well, that's another problem. WP:E-mail says that copying the content of the message onto Wikipedia should not be done for copyright reasons. It reads as a reply to a message which was supposedly sent by me, suggesting that I am the great and powerful oz and can get someone's submission accepted (well, it's all true, but of course I would never send an e-mail like this). What I need is to find someone who can tell me if a message truly was sent in my name somehow through the Wikipedia system or not. If so, I need to know if there have been others. My e-mail address is not hard to find, so if it's just someone being a pest by faking a message, I can deal with it, but if it's internal and someone is spamming the AfC submitters in my name there may be something I should be doing about it.—Anne Delong (talk) 23:05, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Forward me the email if you want; just copy the code into the special:emailuser box. I can't guarantee that I know the answer, but I'll do my best. PS, please use {{You've got mail}} if you go this route. Nyttend (talk) 23:27, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Use of family trees

Is there a guideline on the use of family trees? I've found a book that has a family tree for an architect, but besides his father the rest of the family is not notable. Is a tree appropriate in this case? Knight of Truth (talk) 21:57, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Knight of Truth, a lot of books about families are self-published by members of the family, and are thus not independent sources. However, if the book appears to have been written independently, with a real publisher and editor, the fact that some of the information is in the form of a tree shouldn't be a problem. Lots of non-notable people are mentioned in passing in books. This doesn't mean, though, that there should be a Wikipedia article about each one. —Anne Delong (talk) 22:17, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

are you specifically asking about whether we should be including a family tree within an article? it's generally not very relevant, from an encyclopedic viewpoint, about most subjects. Just having even a reliable source, does not mean that content is appropriate for an article. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:54, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

It would be relevant if the family itself had an article; for example, it makes sense in royalty articles and articles about commercial dynasties, e.g. the DuPonts or the Rockefellers. Given your second sentence, I'd advise against including it, although of course you could (and should, probably) use it as a source for "His mother was X", if it's a reliable source. Nyttend (talk) 23:39, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Sorry if I was unclear. I was asking about the inclusion of the family tree in the article itself. (The book is a scholarly biography of the architect.) Thanks for the input; I will probably stick to including the immediate family in prose. Knight of Truth (talk) 02:58, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

I can't edit links to other languages in an article.

In one article, the link to the english version is wrong, and brings you to the wrong article, but this can't be changed, as I keep getting the message: "An error occurred while saving. Your changes could not be completed." and "The link nowiki:(article name) is already used by item (Q and random number). You may remove it from (Q and random number) if it does not belong there or merge the items if they are about the exact same topic."

How do I fix this? --77.222.163.151 (talk) 23:55, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

It's likely that the inter-language links have been moved to Wikidata. See WP:Wikidata for additional information. If you tell us what article you were editing, we might be able to help (although if it was an article on another language Wikipedia, you would probably need to go to the help desk of *that* wiki). Rwessel (talk) 00:18, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello. Interlanguage links are now handled through Wikidata, where a particular Wikidata item is linked to articles in several different-language Wikipedias. One of the restrictions is that a Wikidata item may be linked to only one article in any particular Wikipedia. If you are trying to link it to a English article, but it is already linked to another one, it won't let you: you need to unlink it from the existing article first.

It is sometimes difficult to get this right, because articles in different Wikipedias may have different scope (for example, I remember looking at this once and finding that some Wikipedias have articles on "Adam and Eve" while others have separate articles on "Adam" and "Eve") and articles with different scope shouldn't be linked together. --ColinFine (talk) 09:44, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

The article is called: "Sápmi (area)", I tried to add links to the languages norwegian, swedish, finnish, danish, icelandic and northern sami. Here are the links to those articles on those languages: norwegian: http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sameland swedish: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sameland finnish: http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lappi icelandic: http://is.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lappland danish: http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapland and the sami language: http://se.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A1pmi

The norwegian version of Sápmi also has the wrong link to the english version. At the moment, it links to this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapland_%28region%29

When it should be linked to this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A1pmi_%28area%29 --85.113.164.184 (talk) 10:28, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Sápmi (area) and Lapland (region) are about the same area and should probably be merged. Most languages only have one article about the area and then it seems hard to say which of the English articles is "wrong" to link. Wikidata doesn't allow both English articles to be linked to the same article in another language. The current choice at wikidata:Q62132 ("Lapland") and wikidata:Q2714126 ("Sápmi") seems to be: If a language only has one article about the area then it's placed in wikidata:Q62132 whether the local title happens to resemble "Lapland" or "Sápmi". It makes sense to ensure that the articles in those languages are all linked to eachother and not split in two groups. Four languages have two articles. The one resembling "Lapland" is placed in the big wikidata:Q62132, and the one resembling "Sápmi" is placed in wikidata:Q2714126 which only has those four articles. The system seems sensible so I suggest nothing is changed. I have reverted your Wikidata edits which removed a label and article from the current system without doing something else instead. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:09, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Currently, there are two different articles in norwegian aswell. The norwegian article Sameland (Sameland is the norwegian name of Sapmi) and Lappland. The Lappland article should of course link to its english counterpart, while Sameland should link to Sápmi (area). I think that if Sápmi (area) and Lappland were to be merged together, the Lappland article should be merged with Sapmi, and not vice versa. But as it is now, Lappland should link to Lappland, and Sameland should link to Sapmi, because currently those two articles are about two different things. --77.222.165.16 (talk) 13:31, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

no:Lappland is a redirect to no:Sameland. Do you have another article in mind? PrimeHunter (talk) 14:14, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Norwegian lappland should be this: http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lappland_%28andre_betydninger%29. As in, if you are on the english lappland article, the link to the norwegian version should lead there. "Sápmi (area)" should lead directly to "Sameland". --77.222.165.16 (talk) 17:05, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

no:Lappland (andre betydninger) is not an article but a disambiguation page. "andre betydninger" means other meanings. It's already linked to the corresponding disambigutation page at the English Wikipedia: Lappland. All entries in wikidata:Q1168034 are disambiguation pages. They should not be mixed with articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:46, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

January 10

Work-related Change Requests to an Article

Hi there--I'm hoping to get an article updated, and I am writing to ask for help in making some corrections and making some edits for clarity. I don't want to make these changes myself since the request is work related. I've asked a few other editors more closely tied to the page to take a look, but unfortunately, it's been a couple of weeks now since my original request, and no one has been able to review the suggestions. My full request is on the Blinken discussion page here. Thanks for your consideration. (Bgluckman (talk) 01:03, 10 January 2015 (UTC))

Bgluckman requested several changes, and two of us have implemented all but one of them; the exception is something that needs a little better sourcing before it can go live. Everyone else — consider pointing to this request as an ideal type of PR-firm request. Bgluckman publicly stated his COI, made clear requests at talk, followed the most efficient course possible, and did everything else in textbook fashion. Nyttend (talk) 01:55, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

article request

Can you provide names and email add of any Indian who can create biography in wikipeida thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prem.malaysia (talk • contribs) 11:14, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

you can place a request for an article at WP:RA or you can start working on it yourself via WP:AFC. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:47, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

You can check here first for the basic requirements for a stand alone article to see if the subject is likely to qualify. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:48, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

A group of headdress-wearing people run through, shouting war whoops :-) Prem.malaysia, you can look at Category:Indian Wikipedians and Category:Wikipedians in India for usernames of Wikipedia editors who are from India (although many of them aren't active at Wikipedia anymore), or you can talk to the active ones at Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics. In most cases, anyone can write an article, regardless of nationality, so it's likely that you don't need to find an Indian to accomplish the task. Nyttend (talk) 15:26, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

How to successfully upload an image

Hi all, I'd be pleased if someone could explain how to properly upload an image, respectively where I did make a mistake:

• I started with the upload wizzard - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:File_Upload_Wizard&%3FwithJS=MediaWiki%3AFileUploadWizard.js - which led me to a form.
• Having completed the form, I clicked a button at the bottom of the page - and had been kind of redirected to this page ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_upload ) and finally to this ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_upload/Wizard ).
• From there on I kind of ended in a continous loop, where obviously no factual upload was possible?

If anyone please could tell me where the mistake was, or even better how to make it properly, I would be really grateful! Thanks in advance! --Matchtime (talk) 14:21, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

What was the form you used? Was it the one you get when selecting "Click here to start the Upload Wizard"? The wizard's complexity is part of the reason that I always go directly to Special:Upload (in particular, to Commons:Special:Upload) when uploading images. I can help you with that if you'd like to skip the forms. Nyttend (talk) 14:48, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

The form I reached via this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk#article_request - and I'm not sure at all how exactly I did reach it. Thus I'd appreciate any help regardless a form (or no form), since my only intention actually was to simply enhance an article I created ... without making a MS-degree in picture design for that ;-). So thank you very much for your offer and the "special:upload-link" you provided; I'll try this one and will provide a note here, how I proceed. --Matchtime (talk) 19:32, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Old Tappan, New Jersey

My Name is Assemblyman Robert Auth. I am the newly elected New Jersey Assemblyman that represents Old Tappan one of 23 municipalities in New Jersey Legislative District 39. I was sworn into office January 2014. http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/members/BIO.asp?Leg=366 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.136.162 (talk) 14:42, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

I think Auth is asking that we update the article's section on legislative representation, which provides the name of a predecessor. Nyttend (talk) 14:48, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Updated article as requested (note: I couldn't find exact township details to add in parentheses. Please add that info, if necessary). GermanJoe (talk) 15:38, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Infobox problem

Hi.

I'm trying to insert an infobox using the following at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=San_Carlos_Apache_Indian_Reservation&action=submit#editform

But it is not appearing correctly. What am I missing:

{{Infobox ethnic group | group = San Carlos Apache Nation
Apache, Nnee | poptime = 15,393 | popplace = United States (Arizona) | rels = Traditional Tribal Religions, Christianity | langs = [[Southern Athabaskan], English |related = Apache peoples }}

(I added a header to this question.) You need a second closing square bracket after "Southern Athabaskan". That will fix it; hope that helps. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 17:31, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Change title of wiki page

Hi,

I helped my Chineese friends of Unirule Institute of Economics to update their page on wikipedia : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unirule_institute_of_china But I cannot change the title of the page which should be "Unirule Institute of Economics", and not "Unirule Institute of China.

How can I do that ?

Thank you for your time,

Emmanuel Martin Director, The Institute for Economic Studies-Europe emartin@ies-europe.org — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:8AC0:AAE0:E8FB:B6:6A4E:A1E1 (talk) 17:54, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

I have moved the page, but it needs references showing extensive coverage in reliable independent sources to be added. Please see Help:Referencing for beginners for how to do that.
I will now go back and remove the unacceptable External links, and references based on Wikipedia, from the article. - Arjayay (talk) 18:04, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Emily's Army

Can somebody like a admin create a redirect to when you type in Emily's Army, it redirects to Swimmers (band) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PacoDaKing14Sportz (talk • contribs) 18:06, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

@PacoDaKing14Sportz: Just as an FYI, that doesn't require an admin. Any editor that has been autoconfirmed can create a redirect. And you are autoconfirmed. Dismas|^(talk) 19:49, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

@Dismas: actually that page is protected against recreation, so it does need an admin. I have requested admin assistance. Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 19:55, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

I hadn't looked into it far enough, I guess. Dismas|^(talk) 20:13, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Done by admin Dragonfly 67. Nyttend (talk) 01:23, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Finding A Question

I asked a question then closed my browser. How do I locate the previously asked question?75.171.82.75 (talk) 19:52, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

You can click on your IP address in this question here (the blue link) and it will take you to your wikipedia contributions. In this case, Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Science#Butterfly_Flight is a link to the question you asked. (You could also, possibly, press ctrl+H in your web browser to view your own web history and locate it that way. CaptRik (talk) 20:00, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

How to find a non-biased newspaper

I am trying to find a newspaper like they use to have. Honest non-biased and not owned by a "corporation", such as Gannett. Or are there no such media such as this anymore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.132.181.16 (talk) 22:06, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

This page is only for questions about how to use or edit Wikipedia (see top of page). For general knowledge questions, please try Wikipedia:Reference desk; note, however, "we don't answer requests for opinions, predictions or debate".  ~Regards ~E:71.20.250.51 (talk) 22:25, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

January 11

Redirect Question

I would like to redirect Whitemud Formation (geology) to Whitemud Formation, but because "Whitemud Formation" currently takes one to a line in a table under Edmonton Group, I am not able to do it. I believe it requires an admin. Could someone please help? Thanks, Georgialh (talk) 01:46, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

I think you're asking that we move Whitemud Formation (geology) to Whitemud Formation, which would result in a redirect. Am I correct? This does require an admin, but I don't want to do anything until you confirm that this is what you want. Nyttend (talk) 03:06, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes, that is correct. Georgialh (talk) 04:38, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Done. You can mark a page for immediate admin attention by tagging the target for a move deletion; in this case, you would have gone to Whitemud Formation [scroll all the way to the top and click the link in (Redirected from Whitemud Formation), just below the Edmonton Group page title to reach the page itself] and used the {{db-move}} template. Go to this page for documentation on how to use it, or I'll be happy to help if you don't find it understandable. Nyttend (talk) 04:51, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I think I understand now. I've done simple redirects, but the existing link to Edmonton Group confused me. I've run into this problem with geological formations before, where the formation is linked to the group, which interferes with setting up a separate article for the formation itself. I'll use your instructions next time. Thanks again. Georgialh (talk) 05:23, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome. If you need an admin for a technical problem and don't know what template to use, this isn't the best page, simply because most readers aren't admins and thus can't give you the assistance you need. The best place to go is Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard, where we admins tend to hang out; if you don't know what template to use, people won't complain if you mention that you don't know. Nyttend (talk) 06:02, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

@Georgialh: If you want to replace a redirect with an existing page which has edits by others then it must be done with a move to preserve the page history which is needed for attribution. But if you want to turn a redirect into a new article then you can do it yourself by editing the redirect from the beginning instead of creating another page. After Nyttend's tip to click "Redirected from" you can make any edit to the redirecting page. If you save something else then it automatically stops being a redirect. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:32, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, folks. This really helps. Georgialh (talk) 03:00, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Autolatina

As I don't have time or inclination to deal with issues such as unblacklisting, can somebody please whack this list onto the Autolatina page if interested: "https://web.archive.org/web/20120205205823/http://www.autolatinaclube.***cjb.net***/" - the cjb.net is blacklisted and the linke is one of the few meaningful ones out there. Cheers, 115.69.63.229 (talk) 05:44, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

That link gives an error message. Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 10:01, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

I have brilliantly deduced that:

• The existing link in the "External links" section is dead and you want to replace it with an archive version.
• The URL of the archive version is what you specified, but without the asterisks.
• You tried to do that edit, but it was prevented due to blacklist of cjb.net, which isn't smart enough to recognize that the "cjb.net" is part of the filepath, not the domain name.
• Instead of "whack this list", you meant "whack this link", leaving us to decipher the meaning of that phrase.
• You think someone here has the authority to do the edit anyway, overriding the blacklist. I don't know that that's true.

I think this would require a whitelist request for that specific page, which you could do as easily as anyone here. ‑‑Mandruss ☎ 13:24, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Rollback

Is there still a way to suppress the 'rollback' links on your watch list or contributions page? I can't seem to find it. I'm editing from a tablet more these days and experiencing more rollback misclicks as a result. Bellerophon _{talk to me} 09:45, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Assuming you still want rollback on page histories, add this to your CSS:

.mw-special-Watchlist .mw-rollback-link {display: none;}
.mw-special-Contributions .mw-rollback-link {display: none;}

PrimeHunter (talk) 12:00, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Prime Hunter, very helpful! Bellerophon _{talk to me} 13:05, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

traditional Chinese

Recently, when I search any object in you website, it will directly go to simplify Chinese pages!! WTF! I am in traditional Chinese page! Please fixed this problem! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.61.254.65 (talk) 12:55, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

That sounds like something you will have to take up with the Chinese Wikipedia - The different language wikipedias operate separately and English Wikipedia cannot interfere with the Chinese one. - Arjayay (talk) 13:33, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

I don't know the details or whether there are recent changes but if you register an account then you should be able to set your Chinese language variant at zh:Special:Preferences. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:07, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Misplaced Afd comment

In Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2015 January 7, the last couple of lines for List of U.S. counties named after plants applies to the following article, but I can't find them to move. What's up with that? Clarityfiend (talk) 13:09, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

I've fixed it with this edit to the following AFD section. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:13, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

I didn't see it in the second Afd section. Anyway, thanks. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:43, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Magic spam link

Reading The Hours (film), I noticed a spam link on the term "hotel room". I decided to edit it out, but discovered that the link is absent or hidden from the edit page! I deleted and retyped it anyway, in case there was a hidden code--but, no difference, the link was still there, so I aborted the edit. What does one do to remove it? Bjenks (talk) 14:12, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

The Wikipedia article has no link on "hotel room". If you see a link then it's inserted later, maybe by unwanted adware in your browser. See Wikipedia:FAQ/Readers#Why do I see commercial ads at Wikipedia? PrimeHunter (talk) 14:19, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks. My malware protection has been 100% for years but I guess it's now time to review it! Bjenks (talk) 01:17, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Coyotes (song)

I've just started an article named Coyotes (song). There is also a redirect at Coyotes, which refers merely to the plural form of the Coyote article. As I understand Wikipedia protocols, Coyotes (song) should be renamed/moved to "Coyotes", and the redirect should be eliminated. I don't know the intricacies of dealing with this situation, so I'm hoping that somebody will take care of this for me (or let me know that I'm wrong, of course). Lou Sander (talk) 17:07, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Coyote_(disambiguation) already contains links to multiple things containing "Coyotes". It seems clear that the appropriate action is to add Coyotes (song) to that page and leave the redirects alone. The Coyote article already contains a hatnote link to the dab page, for those who search for "coyotes" looking for Coyotes (song). (If they didn't notice Coyotes (song) in the "coyotes" search dropdown list.) ‑‑Mandruss ☎ 17:19, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Good stuff. Thanks, and I'll add the song to Coyote_(disambiguation). But why is there a redirect from Coyotes to the "Coyote" article, when "Coyotes" is just a plural, and is handled as such in most links? It seems like maybe it should go to Coyote_(disambiguation). Lou Sander (talk) 17:32, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

I don't know, but search for "airplanes" gives Airplane, which contains a hatnote link to Airplane (disambiguation), which contains a link to Airplanes (song). So it's not without precedent, although I don't know if it's written down anywhere. Maybe someone else does. ‑‑Mandruss ☎ 17:35, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Readers not thoroughly familiar with how we name articles will often type plurals into the search box. Someone who wants Information about the canine species should not end up at an article about a song, unless the song is very well known. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:22, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Nice little article about the song, by the way. Well done. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:26, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Now that I'm digging into it, I'm seeing a lot. There are, IMHO, problems if somebody is looking for the plural (of an animal, particularly, such as in names of sports teams) and they are redirected to the animal article (singular), which further directs them to a disambiguation page for the singular (which they don't want, of course), which is sometimes pretty long, and which may include, along with the many singular references, a few plurals. Coyotes is an example of this. It has about 75 entries(!), only 14 of which are for the plurals, and it isn't easy to find them (especially the Marine aviators).

Similar problems exist with Penguins, Lions, and Tigers, which are some sports teams I'm familiar with. Ravens handles it differently, but the disambiguation page doesn't even mention the bird or the other singular disambiguations. Eagles, IMHO, handles it the best -- searching for Eagles redirects you to Eagle, which has two hat notes: one directing to a disambiguation page for Eagle, and another to a disambiguation page for Eagles. Both pages have a lot of entries, and there isn't much chance of someone accidentally going to the wrong one.

IMHO, the Eagles style is the best, and would be good for Coyotes, with a separate ambiguation page for the plurals. Also IMHO, Ravens should be rejiggered to that format, as well. Once again, my own skills are not great when dealing with redirects and disambiguations. Lou Sander (talk) 19:58, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm all for more consistent treatment here, and this seems worth some attention. But a community-wide change in this area would likely involve some extended discussion, and that's outside the purview of Help desk. If you want to pursue it, I'd suggest WP:VPP and wish you luck. ‑‑Mandruss ☎ 20:16, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Where do I report someone who issues threats and abuse? And might something be done to stop this?

I presume there is a process but I can't find any clear rubric.

I have been called a "degenerate," a "peon," and other words of abuse; I have also been issued what I perceive as a threat ("they deserve what's coming"--and the person seems to include me among "they"). If it's not clear to those who read what I am reporting here, I consider this serious, so I hope someone responds to me. Doprendek (talk) 17:54, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

That would be Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Read and follow the instructions at the top of the page. ‑‑Mandruss ☎ 18:22, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

I see that 174.3.213.121 has already taken this to the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard. I anticipate a boomerang. Maproom (talk) 22:40, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard, actually, as a content dispute. ‑‑Mandruss ☎ 23:04, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

incorrect info on google search that links to wikipeia page

how do you fix the info that shows up on the right side of the screen in a google search and links to the wikipeia page, if its not correct? 20:14, 11 January 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gnralsoschicken (talk • contribs)

There is a 'feedback' option, bottom right. And note that Google are responsible for the content of such material - even if it claims to cite Wikipedia, it often doesn't. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:16, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" to indicate that particular text was copied from Wikipedia. An image and other text before or after the Wikipedia excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Wikipedia. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong. --  Gadget850 ^talk 00:01, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

January 12

Authority of Wikipedia.

I am having an argument with someone who questions the authority of Wikipedia. First I want to desribe my position. I trust Wikipedia, have been helped by it on multiple occasions, I have donated funds to it, and generally consider it a top reference source. The issue was an article on Aromatherapy which in my judgment gives an objective overview of this controversial and murky subgect. This person says: "I don't trust Wikipedia, when I was in college, the professors forbade us to use it as a reference."

I recall that at one time, perhaps about 15 or 20 years ago a blind test was done comparing Wikipedia articles with Encyclopedia Britannica's and as far as I remember the Wikipedia articles came out on top. I think an eclectic collection of articles from both publications were given to a group of experts and they evaluated their quality.

My question is: "Is there any objective measure of the Wikipedia as a reference source?"

Thanks, - A. --AboutFace 22 (talk) 00:00, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

@AboutFace 22: Wikipedia isn't quite that old. The Encyclopædia Britannica study from 2005 is mentioned in Reliability of Wikipedia which also has other information and an external links section. Most of them are to Wikipedia project pages which are considered external for our encyclopedia articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:39, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

We don't trust Wikipedia as a reliable source. And professors and teachers should still be telling their students not to trust Wikipedia or any "source" that is open for any jerk off the street to edit. Check the sources that are used in the article, see what is being argued about on the talk page, check the page history to see how much older version differ from the current, and go from there. Its usually pretty good for settling bar bets and "did so-and-so die last year?" I wouldnt go by the article for anything vaguely important.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 05:46, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia...bringing heart transplantation procedures to the unwashed masses! InedibleHulk (talk) 06:03, January 12, 2015 (UTC)

I don't know about everyone else's teachers but mine stopped allowing any encyclopedias as a source around 7th or 8th grade. Dismas|^(talk) 06:15, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

And that's good - regardless of reliability, Wikipedia shouldn't be used in any academic writing as a source, along with most other tertiary sources. The cited sources are what should be used instead. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 06:50, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm not a heart surgeon but I did stay at a Holiday Express and I read heart transplantation procedures last night .--ukexpat (talk) 13:53, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

That is an unbeatable combination - Sign me up! -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:12, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for comments. It is kind of surprising. I did not expect it. On the other hand I am not in academia, I don't do any research but very often I need some information, quite often in math, algebra, special functions, groups, etc. I think Wikipedia is superb in this area. I also read some science, etc. Well, it is nice to know. --AboutFace 22 (talk) 20:28, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Yanchep National Park

Hi there

Could you please update your information that is displayed when 'Yanchep National Park' is typed into google search.

Yanchep National Park has a licenced Inn (Yanchep Inn)with accommodation on the premises and as such does not close - ie it is open every day of the year. The entry station at the park is staffed from 8am - 5pm daily to provide information to visitors, Crystal Cave tours also run every day of the year currently at 10:30am. 11:30am, 1pm, 2pm and 3pm

We are constantly receiving phone calls from international, national and state visitors regarding the advertised 'Closure' on Saturdays and Sundays that is simply untrue.

Wikipedia is obviously a fantastic source of information that is widely used so we would sincerely appreciate your quick response in updating this important information.

Should you require any clarification, please contact Yanchep National Park on <redacted>

Thanking you Regards Julia Coggins, Park Manager, Department of Parks and Wildlife, Yanchep National Park202.1.16.77 (talk) 02:51, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

If you wish to propose changes to the Wikipedia article on Yanchep National Park, the place to do so is on the article's talk page, supplying references to independent published reliable sources, but the point you make regarding an advertised closure on Saturdays and Sundays doesn't seem to be in the Wikipedia article. If, therefore, you are referring to something that Google have published, independent of Wikipedia, then you need to raise it with Google, not here. I think you'll find that the Google page has a "Send feedback" link. -David Biddulph (talk) 03:02, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" to indicate that particular text was copied from Wikipedia. An image and other text before or after the Wikipedia excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Wikipedia. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong.

I think an "Hours" field in Google's Knowledge Graph is usually copied from Google+ where your page [4] also says closed Saturday and Sunday when I click a link in the "Contact Information" box. Change it there if you have access. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:54, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

why there is a wiki article on yify torrents?

Few days back, i posted a question: "please create wikipedia article on yify torrent site this site has alexa rank below 1000 but it lacks wiki article" in help desk, i got reply like this: "it is bad to write an article promoting a site that regularly violates US federal law and many international laws by illegally reproducing and distributing copyrighted content", so i never raised this question, but now i found wiki article on yify-torrents. proof:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YTS.re if it violates US federal law and many international laws, then why there is article on yify-torrents? Ram nareshji (talk) 05:25, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

There are articles in Wikipedia about genocide, coprophilia, Stalinism and Ayn Rand. Neither evilness, vileness nor illegality of a subject prevents us from having an article about it in Wikipedia. --Orange Mike | Talk 05:53, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Those establish their subject's notability a lot better, though. YiFy's claim to fame seems to be being blocked in the UK, and it isn't mentioned at that article. A primary about the boss retiring, and another from the webmaster about his own "sophisticated" system. If someone wanted to nominate this for deletion, that'd be reasonable. Nothing to do with US law.

It is bad to write an article promoting a site, though. Or to give undue weight to the disgusting aspects of a product. Just the facts. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:54, January 12, 2015 (UTC)

Now at AFD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/YTS.re.--ukexpat (talk) 16:04, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Anyone good with nested tables?

I've been beating my head against a wall a bit on the syntax to properly align three tables nested within a single larger frame (please see User:Snow Rise/sandbox). I've tried about three dozen variations on the syntax, but cannot for the life of me get the frames to attain the relative orientations I'm looking for. What I would like is exactly the present layout, but with the right-most frame (that with a yellow background) running the entire vertical length of the encapsulating frame (black-blue), such that left-most frames (green and brown) share the vertical space on the left and there is no empty space bellow the yellow frame on the right. If anyone can help me out with this before my last wit abandons me, I would be immensely grateful! Please feel free to edit the sandbox to give the desired effect, if you so wish. Snow talk 12:26, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

@Snow Rise: Done. [5] Is that what you needed? --CiaPan (talk) 12:30, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes! Absolutely brilliant, CiaPan. Thanks so much for the assistance - for the life of me I couldn't get the elements to subordinate properly, but I feel like a bit of a dunce now; I'm used to using rowspan in conventional tables, but it didn't even occur to me to use it here to orient the nested elements. D'oh! Thanks again, I was about to go nuts. :) Snow talk 12:40, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Well... 'Programming is a bit like mathematics in this regard. There are only two categories of problems: not yet solved ones and obvious ones :-) – Angew' [6] --CiaPan (talk) 13:25, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Add visual content to articles and write articles about summer destinations in Greece, Spain, Italy, France and more

We own a huge number of photos and videos for the whole coastline of Greece, Spain, France, Italy, Malta, Sardinia, Sicily and Corsica. We want to use a large amount of our content in order (1) to enhance existing articles about the above mentioned destinations and (2) to create new articles for destinations. For example there are more than 110 islands in Greece with no information, and more than 180 with minimum information. Furthermore, our contribution with visual content for the existing articles could enhance the available info since our photos and videos show a completely different view of the destination. I wonder which is the best and the proper way of doing it. Can I add a link to our website @ related articles (i.e View Crete from an helicopter)? Or Can I upload relevant photos or videos (under CC BY-SA v.4.0)? Thanks in advance — Preceding unsigned comment added by VasDion (talk • contribs) 15:45, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

You probably need to ask at: Wikivoyage help page.--ukexpat (talk) 18:51, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Links to your website would be immediately deleted as spamlinks. Are you willing to license these images and videos under our rules, with the possibility of re-use and commercial use? Because that's the only way we accept them. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:23, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello, VasDion. I'd like to expand a little on what Orangemike has said. Adding suitably licensed and appropriate pictures to Wikipedia articles is always welcome: since you mention CC-BY-SA, it sounds as if you do understand the point about licensing, so with such a licence you may upload them to Wikimedia commons and use them in any Wikimedia project. But I have a concern (and I'm guessing that Orangemike has as well) about your use of the word "destinations". A Wikipedia article about a place (or anything else) must be a summary in neutral and non-promotional language of what independent reliable sources have said about a subject. But to refer to a place as a "destination" is inherently promotional: it is the language of travel agencies and publicity departments. I suspect that an article about a "destination" will probably be promotional in general, which is why I think Orangemike suggested you look at Wikivoyage. --ColinFine (talk) 17:12, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Forgot to login and still edited an article

Is there a way to add my username to an ip address? Or to change the ip adress of the editor in my username? I forget to login and started editing an article. A stupid mistake.

Thanks. 81.247.149.34 (talk) 15:51, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm afraid not. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:23, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

There's a little more advice at WP:LOGGEDOUT. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:30, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

"Sickle"

Please see the article entitled "sickle". Someone has inserted racial slurs and "jokes" into the article. 2602:306:B88B:6A60:C62C:3FF:FE11:AD73 (talk) 16:54, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Vandalism. Reverted. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:55, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Livingston Taylor entry

I represent the popular music artist Livingston Taylor and someone has added a middle name "Cheryl" to his page. Livingston has no middle name--just Livingston Taylor and we wish to have this error removed immediately.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pugaf (talk • contribs) 21:34, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

@Pugaf: I've removed the name and will follow up with the editor who initially added it. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 21:43, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

There's some web support for that, reliability unknown. ―Mandruss ☎ 21:57, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Totally unreliable as all the hits I looked at are mirroring the erroneous version of the Wikipedia article.--ukexpat (talk) 22:02, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Biography of Admirals of the US Navy

Your website has the biographies of most Admirals and Vice Admirals. I wish to add one that is missing. Is there a template or other aid to do this? I also note a picture attached to the biography. Is there a protocol for adding a picture?

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.176.10.11 (talk) 22:09, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

If you have a reliable source for the biography of an admiral or vice-admiral, please use the WP:Article Wizard to create a draft article where it can be reviewed. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:02, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Is the picture copyrighted, or freely licensed? If the picture is freely licensed by the photographer, see WP:Uploading images. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:02, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

An official USN photo will be public domain per the US federal government copyright policy, so such a photo can be used. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:25, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Under Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history/Notability_guide pretty much anyone who has rank equivalent to an O-7 or higher (so even Commodores) is considered notable. Not sure this guideline applies to USCG, PHS or NOAA personnel with that rank, but I believe so. Also Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history is a fairly active talk page for a Wikiproject. Drop a note there and I'm fairly sure you'll get an appropriate response. Naraht (talk) 16:32, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

howard style referencing

please show me the howard style reference for journal, book, article, magazing — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.120.8.67 (talk) 23:09, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

For Wikipedia referencing, you may find this helpful -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:11, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

I believe you are referring to Harvard or parenthetical style; see Wikipedia:Parenthetical referencing. --  Gadget850 ^talk 23:42, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Roger Caron

To whom it may concern:

I am the widow of the late Roger Caron and noticed an error in your posting concerning my husband.

I am not sure where you obtained your information regarding our relationship; however, I do wish to advise that your write-up infers that Roger and I had only been dating prior to his arrest and married in 1993. The date of the marriage is correct but we had been common-law prior to our marriage for close to five years. If you wish to update your information you may contact me.

Thank you.

Barbara Caron (Mrs.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barbara129 (talk • contribs) 23:40, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Please post any suggested changes to the article to the article talk page, Talk: Roger Caron.

January 13

Referencing errors on 2015 in British television

Reference help requested. Just wondering if someone could fix this. I've made a few edits to the page tonight and can't seem to locate which one the Bot is referering to. Thanks, This is Paul (talk) 00:33, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

 Done - Changed |anewspaper= to |newspaper=. ―Mandruss ☎ 00:37, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, This is Paul (talk) 00:39, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Henry Harpending article

There is a page about me in wikipedia. I seem to have a stalker who periodically posts either slander or goofy information. Is it possible to have my page simply removed? Failing that I would like to remove the current statement that I was a member of DU fraternity at Hamilton college. This is I realize, inconsequential, but I am weary of monitoring my page every year.

Thanks, Henry Harpending, University of Utah — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.202.201.180 (talk) 03:20, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

The article in question is Henry Harpending. It appears that the subject of the article does pass general and academic notability guidelines, and the article is encyclopedic. My advice would be for the original poster to create an account and watchlist the article for vandalism. The fact that an article is vandalized is not a reason as such to take it down. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:52, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

I have removed the statement about fraternity membership as unsourced, as per the policy in biographies of living persons. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:54, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

I thought I registered and edited things years ago - please check 'n inform me...

Howdy, I've been reg'd with Wikipedia a LONG time ago. I've even edited articles.

However, I just had this pop-up saying I was not fully registered and needed to contact someone at this location. Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation

I am a bit lost as to where and what I need to do to verify I am here.

My Wikipedia name is: drix_is_me or Drix is me.

What do I need to do now to become "Official."

Thanx for helping me help. Drix — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drix is me (talk • contribs) 04:29, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi Drix is me. I don't know which pop-up you refer to. Special:Log/Drix is me shows your account was created in 2006. Special:Contributions/Drix is me shows it started editing in 2007. When you are logged in you can create articles and edit almost any page. You don't need to do anything at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation or verify you are here. There is no concept of being "Official." If you want to edit articles then you can go right ahead. If you want to create an article then inexperienced users are recommended to use Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Although your account may seem a bit old for it, I have given you a standard welcome message on your talk page. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:52, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Due to the four days and ten edits requirement the User:Drix is me account only became autoconfirmed a few weeks ago on 18 December 2014, I suspect that may be the cause of the confusion. (It may also be a contender for the record for longest time it's taken an editor to become autoconfirmed.) User:Drix has logged no edits at all. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:51, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

The account became autoconfirmed 18 December 2013 and not 2014. By the way, "drix_is_me" and "Drix is me" are just two ways to write the same account name. Either way works. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:23, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Can someone crop File:COLLECTIE TROPENMUSEUM Man drinkt bier (pombe) op het bordes van Dr. Thoden van Velzen terwijl kinderen toekijken TMnr 20014576.jpg ?

I'd like to use a cropped image of just the gentleman drinking the beer, without onlookers and so much extra background, from this file: File:COLLECTIE TROPENMUSEUM Man drinkt bier (pombe) op het bordes van Dr. Thoden van Velzen terwijl kinderen toekijken TMnr 20014576.jpg at wikimedia commons. It would be for use at 2015 Mozambique funeral beer poisoning. Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 04:37, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

If you don't have any luck here, try over at c:Commons:Graphic Lab.  —71.20.250.51 (talk) 05:42, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

I'll post there right now. With my MAC and several hours to figure out the system I could do it myself, but it would be an insane waste of time. Maybe someone here han help, but I'll try there, thanks.

How's this? ----->--ukexpat (talk) 16:21, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks. μηδείς (talk) 19:25, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Resolved

Eric Garner Can't Edit

Hello. I'm trying to edit the biased page of "Eric Garner Death" to include a reference to resisting arrest and heart attack. Death of Eric Garner

Current page makes you seem very anti-police. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ron Bennington 12345 (talk • contribs) 05:49, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Death of Eric Garner is semi-protected which means that a user must be autoconfirmed (basically the account must have at least ten edits and be four days old, requirements which your account does not, at this point, meet) or explicitly confirmed. Semi-protection is generally applied to pages experiencing a large amount of vandalism or disruptive editing. You can request an edit on Talk:Death of Eric Garner, using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template if necessary to gain attention. Rwessel (talk) 05:57, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Note however that this is article has been the subject of much edit warring, hence the protection, so any edits that you suggest must be supported by reliable sources (ie not blogs, "I heard it on the 'net" etc).--ukexpat (talk) 16:11, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Slow Dance hoax 2

The first hoax is well documented. Here is the second hoax pertaining to the poem; David L. Weatherford as author: untrue. I have been trying for months to get this lie recognised as such, or at least have his status regarding authorship downgraded to “claimant" rather than the current “proven" or is it just “accepted?" The real author had it stolen from her and put online - without her knowledge or consent. When she found about it being in the public space, it had been claimed by D. L. W. What could she do? How to prove the unprovable? I am belatedly attempting to prove it. She has sent me two of her texts written a few years after Slow Dance, and I have placed about half of each on the blog. Although not written in the style of Slow Dance (that is to say, in song lyric style) I do think the tone is similar. She is oddly fearful still of someone stealing her stuff. Again.

My blog on the matter:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~enviouscatydd/

When there is consensus that David is not, could not, be the author, I am hoping this is reflected in his entry in Wikipedia. I don't want his entry deleted, simply amended, to reflect his true contribution to an understanding of human nature, which in his case is a type of pathology.

And in due course, when she releases more of her material and comparisons are made, my friend will supplant the usurper David as true author of Slow Dance.

Thank you

L'Ant — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.217.70.98 (talk) 06:22, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

This must be about Slow Dance (poem). If there is ever reputable published evidence that the poem was written by Fran rather than by Weatherford, it can be added to the article. Maproom (talk) 09:22, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

schedule of outdoor patients

What is the day selected for Urology for outdoor patient — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.151.8.250 (talk) 08:22, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.Template:Z25 AndyTheGrump (talk) 08:27, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

RfC/U

Where is the RfC/U noticeboard? I wish to look up a past RfC/U and cannot see how to do this from the WP Help pages. ~ P-123 (talk) 09:21, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

It's gone. See Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/User_conduct. Maproom (talk) 09:27, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Where can I look up old RfC/Us, please? ~ P-123 (talk) 10:08, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

By displaying an old version of Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User conduct I found Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User conduct/Archive. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:12, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

How do I find an "old" version? When clicking on Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User conduct there is no link to archives that I can see. ~ P-123 (talk) 10:37, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

I have found the archives through "Search results". ~ P-123 (talk) 11:16, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

I have added a link to the archives to Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/User_conduct. Bencherlite^Talk 16:14, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Regius Professor of Natural History, University of Aberdeen

Hi,

I notice that there has been a welcome update on the present/past Regius Professors of Natural History at Aberdeen University: Regius Professor of Natural History (Aberdeen)

I am the current incumbent, and see that my surname is incorrect. I would be grateful if this could be changed to "Secombes".

Secondly, I have researched the history of the post myself, and see that it was originally called the Regius Professor of Civil and Natural History until in 1860 Marischal and King's Colleges merged to form the University of Aberdeen, and the title changed to Natural History. James Nicol was in post at the time and his title was changed as a consequence. I have listed the past post holders and their dates of office below. The ones currently on the Wikipedia page are correct but incomplete.

Please forward this info to the appropriate person as necessary.

List of post holders provided by user

• REGIUS PROFESSOR OF NATURAL HISTORY
  Christopher John Secombes 2014-
  Paul Adrian Racey 1993-2009
  George Mackenzie Dunnet 1974-1993
  Vero Copner Wynne-Edwards 1946-1974
  Alister Clavering Hardy 1942-1945
  Lancelot Thomas Hogben 1937-1942
  James Ritchie 1930-1936
  John Arthur Thomson 1899-1930
  Henry Alleyne Nicholson 1882-1899
  James Cossar Ewart 1879-1882
  James Nicol 1860-1878 (was in post at merger)
  REGIUS PROFESSOR OF CIVIL AND NATURAL HISTORY
  James Nicol 1853-1860
  William MacGillivray 1841-1852
  James (Jas) Davidson 1811-1841
  Rev Robert Rennie 1810-1811
  James Beattie 1788-1810
  William Morgan 1788-1788
  George Skene 1775-1788
  Francis Skene 1753-1775
  

Yours sincerely, Chris Secombes. 139.133.69.220 (talk) 11:25, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

I've fixed your name and copied the list to the talk page of the article, but we're going to have to deduct marks for failing to show your sources ;-) - X201 (talk) 11:44, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Said talk page is at Talk:Regius Professor of Natural History (Aberdeen). I'd prefer to have this with valid secondary references. Can you let us know where you found each one?Naraht (talk) 16:40, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Also, not sure why not linked from Regius ProfessorNaraht (talk) 17:01, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Public figures

Heading added by ColinFine (talk) 13:56, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

who enters details of public figures on Wikipedia197.232.8.125 (talk) 13:49, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello, anonymous user. The answer is, Anybody at all, including you, if you wish. However, there are a lot of policies and guidelines to be complied with, so it is not easy creating a new article. If you wish to have a go, please look at your first article. If you would like to ask somebody to create an article you can ask at requested articles (but there is a big backlog). --ColinFine (talk) 13:58, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Updating Lennys Sub Shop Data

I have made several edits to our Lennys Sub Shop Wikipedia information last week and these edits are not “saving” permanently on your site.

Please advise what I need to do in order for my edits to save permanently.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenny%27s_Sub_Shop

```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.149.121.161 (talk) 15:24, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

What you need to do is understand that Wikipedia is an online encyclopaedia, and not a platform, for free advertising. Promotional guff like this [7] will not under any circumstances be permitted in the article. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:27, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

It will also help to understand that other editors can revert your edits if they feel they do not improve the article, or do not conform to Wikipedia policy and guidelines. I haven't looked at every one of your numerous edits, but at least some of them were reverted on January 9. You can see this activity in the page history, accessible via the View history link at the top of the article. ―Mandruss ☎ 15:31, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Editing went wrong...

I think this question would be asked here. If not, I'm sorry that I screwed up yet again. I need help with Kath Soucie's page. I added Celeste to her animated television filmography. But I made a minor mistake and went back to fix it. It worked in a way but it didn't remove my first mistake. She's now there three times. Can someone fix it? I'm new to this sort of thing... sorry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omoriboy (talk • contribs) 16:11, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

 Done ―Mandruss ☎ 16:16, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

The fetish for putting things in the horrendously difficult to edit table format never ceases to amaze me. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:40, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Fetish, schmetish. I think this looks better and is easier to read than its predecessor (especially when you factor in the additional information in the former). Vive la difference!. ―Mandruss ☎ 19:51, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Death Spells

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Spells#Members can somebody but more space between the members names on the timeline so you can see it better — Preceding unsigned comment added by PacoDaKing14Sportz (talk • contribs) 20:06, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

deleted article

Hi - I'm trying to recover the following article. - ==Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Tedd Browne==

• Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Tedd Browne · ( logs | history | links | watch ) · [revisions]

I, ESchultzDC, request the undeletion of this Articles for creation submission deleted under CSD G13. Please restore the page as I intend to work on it. ESchultzDC (talk) 20:15, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

I've tried to recover it, but I really have a difficult time using Wikipedia. If you could help to recover it, I will publish it so that that it won't be deleted in the future. Thanks for your help! Eric