談だん

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See also: 谈
談だん U+8AC7, 談
CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-8AC7
← 諆
[U+8AC6] 		CJK Unified Ideographs 諈 →
[U+8AC8]

Translingual

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Han character

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談だん (Kangxi radical 149, 言げん+8, 15 strokes, cangjie input 卜ぼく口火くちび火ひ (YRFF), four-corner 09689, composition ⿰訁炎ほのお)

Derived characters

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References

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  • Kangxi Dictionary: page 1167, character 11
  • Dai Kanwa Jiten: character 35633
  • Dae Jaweon: page 1632, character 22
  • Hanyu Da Zidian (first edition): volume 6, page 3992, character 7
  • Unihan data for U+8AC7

Chinese

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trad. 談だん
simp. 谈
alternative forms 譚たん／谭

Glyph origin

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Characters in the same phonetic series (炎ほのお) (Zhengzhang, 2003) 
Old Chinese
倓 *l'oːmʔ, *l'aːm, *l'aːms
緂 *l̥ʰaːm, *l̥ʰaːmʔ, *l̥ʰjam
毯 *l̥ʰaːmʔ
菼 *l̥ʰaːmʔ
裧 *l̥ʰaːmʔ, *l̥ʰjam, *l̥ʰjams
賧 *l̥ʰaːms
睒 *l̥ʰaːms, *hljamʔ
舕 *l̥ʰaːms
談だん *l'aːm
郯 *l'aːm
惔 *l'aːm, *l'aːmʔ, *l'aːms
錟 *l'aːm
淡あわ *l'aːm, *l'aːmʔ, *l'aːms, *lamʔ
痰たん *l'aːm
餤 *l'aːm
啖 *l'aːmʔ, *l'aːms
腅 *l'aːms
剡 *ɦljamʔ, *lamʔ
覢 *hljamʔ
掞 *hljams
炎ほのお *ɦlam
琰 *lamʔ
棪 *lamʔ
扊 *lamʔ

Phono-semantic compound (形聲けいせい／形声けいせい, OC *l'aːm) : semantic 言げん (“speech”) + phonetic 炎ほのお (OC *ɦlam).

Etymology

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From Proto-Sino-Tibetan *g-tam ~ g-dam.

Pronunciation

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  • Dialectal data
Variety Location 談だん
Mandarin Beijing /tʰan³⁵/
Harbin /tʰan²⁴/
Tianjin /tʰan⁴⁵/
Jinan /tʰã⁴²/
Qingdao /tʰã⁴²/
Zhengzhou /tʰan⁴²/
Xi'an /tʰã²⁴/
Xining /tʰã²⁴/
Yinchuan /tʰan⁵³/
Lanzhou /tʰɛ̃n⁵³/
Ürümqi /tʰan⁵¹/
Wuhan /tʰan²¹³/
Chengdu /tʰan³¹/
Guiyang /tʰan²¹/
Kunming /tʰã̠³¹/
Nanjing /tʰʰaŋ²⁴/
Hefei /tʰæ̃⁵⁵/
Jin Taiyuan /tʰæ̃¹¹/
Pingyao /tʰɑŋ¹³/
Hohhot /tʰæ̃³¹/
Wu Shanghai /de²³/
Suzhou /de̞¹³/
Hangzhou /dẽ̞²¹³/
Wenzhou /da³¹/
Hui Shexian /tʰɛ⁴⁴/
Tunxi /tʰɔ⁴⁴/
Xiang Changsha /tan¹³/
Xiangtan /dan¹²/
Gan Nanchang /tʰan²⁴/
Hakka Meixian /tʰam¹¹/
Taoyuan /tʰɑm¹¹/
Cantonese Guangzhou /tʰam²¹/
Nanning /tʰam²¹/
Hong Kong /tʰam²¹/
Min Xiamen (Hokkien) /tam³⁵/
Fuzhou (Eastern Min) /taŋ⁵³/
Jian'ou (Northern Min) /tʰaŋ²¹/
Shantou (Teochew) /tʰam⁵⁵/
Haikou (Hainanese) /ham³¹/
Rime
Character 談だん
Reading # 1/1
Initial (聲こえ) 定じょう (7)
Final (韻いん) 談だん (143)
Tone (調しらべ) Level (Ø)
Openness (開ひらき合あい) Open
Division (等ひとし) I
Fanqie 徒と甘あま切きり
Baxter dam
Reconstructions
Zhengzhang
Shangfang 		/dɑm/
Pan
Wuyun 		/dɑm/
Shao
Rongfen 		/dɑm/
Edwin
Pulleyblank 		/dam/
Li
Rong 		/dɑm/
Wang
Li 		/dɑm/
Bernard
Karlgren 		/dʱɑm/
Expected
Mandarin
Reflex 		tán
Expected
Cantonese
Reflex 		taam4
Baxter–Sagart system 1.1 (2014)
Character 談だん
Reading # 1/1
Modern
Beijing
(Pinyin) 		tán
Middle
Chinese 		‹ dam ›
Old
Chinese 		/*lˁ[o]m/
English speak

Notes for Old Chinese notations in the Baxter–Sagart system:

* Parentheses "()" indicate uncertain presence;
* Square brackets "[]" indicate uncertain identity, e.g. *[t] as coda may in fact be *-t or *-p;
* Angle brackets "<>" indicate infix;
* Hyphen "-" indicates morpheme boundary;

* Period "." indicates syllable boundary.
Zhengzhang system (2003)
Character 談だん
Reading # 1/1
No. 14292
Phonetic
component 		炎ほのお
Rime
group 		談だん
Rime
subdivision 		1
Corresponding
MC rime 		談だん
Old
Chinese 		/*l'aːm/

Definitions

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談だん

  1. to talk; to converse; to chat; to discuss
    面めん談だん／面めん谈  ―  miàntán  ―  to talk to someone face-to-face
    談だん判はん／谈判はん  ―  tánpàn  ―  to negotiate
    談だん天てん／谈天てん  ―  tántiān  ―  to chat
    談だん談だん心裡しんり話ばなし／谈谈心こころ里さと话  ―  tán tán xīnlǐhuà  ―  talk about your hart
    談だん了りょう半はん天てん也沒ぼつ有ゆう結果けっか。 [MSC, trad.]
    谈了りょう半はん天てん也没ぼつ有ゆう结果。 [MSC, simp.]
    Tán le bàn tiān yě méiyǒu jiéguǒ. [Pinyin]
    (please add an English translation of this usage example)
  2. remark; conversation
    奇き談だん／奇き谈  ―  qítán  ―  surprising remark
    趣おもむき談だん／趣おもむき谈  ―  qùtán  ―  amusing remark
  3. (obsolete) to praise
  4. a surname

Compounds

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References

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Japanese

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Kanji

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談だん

(Third grade kyōiku kanji)

  1. story
  2. talk, conversation

Readings

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Compounds

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Korean

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Hanja

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談だん (eumhun 말씀 담 (malsseum dam))

  1. hanja form? of 담 (“conversation”)

Compounds

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Vietnamese

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Han character

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談だん: Hán Nôm readings: đàm, giạm

  1. chữ Hán form of đàm.
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